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All negative emotions spring from a separation from God

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After 4 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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All negative emotions spring from a separation and lack of God.

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@RationalMadman

Fun debate my beloved.

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@TWS1405

Keep crying straw boy.

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@TWS1405

"Suspension of disbelief is not different than denialism."

suspension definition: An interruption or temporary cessation

denialism definition: To declare untrue; assert to be false.
To refuse to believe; reject.

yeah, clearly the same.

"do you like chocolate ice cream"

suspension of belief would go: i dont know i havent tried.

denial would go: no i havent even tried i just know i wont like it.

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@Ehyeh

Way to demonstrate the classic strawman fallacy.

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@TWS1405

There is no God. You cannot prove the unprovable.

Especially when God, the monotheism version, was created out of a perversion of many gods.

The entire concept of religion and deities is man-made. Period.

Religion is the first best example of not only mass hysteria, bit also mass psychosis.

Any fallacious belief in an unknowing so-called God is a farce.

The Bible, Old and New Testaments are replete with one contradiction after another.

You've directly said there is no God, within this comment.

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@Ehyeh

Suspension of disbelief is not different than denialism.

Potentiality does not equal actuality. Neve has. Never will.

No one knew anything about evolution, realistically, until Darwin made that discovery and addressed it.

Unknown knowledge becomes knowable. Which is precisely why much if Bible (written over thousands of years by hundreds upon hundreds of men with a scripted agenda) has been discredited.

Try agian.

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@TWS1405

there's a difference between refraining belief and saying something isn't true or potentially true. You've previously made the statement God DOESNT exist at all. In the past we also couldn't prove evolution. Does that mean it wasn't true that evolution happened back then? I'll leave you to ponder that one.

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@Ehyeh

"..and black and white as the ones you claim to be fools."

That makes no sense. You do not know me. You have no info to substantiate this tripe.

I am no fool. I never get into any discussion where I cannot bold my own. When people like you reply as you just did, that just demonstrates it is to you who are in over our head.

#DunningKrugerEffect

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@Ehyeh

The fact that you cannot prove the existence of any deity you claim to exist is all the evidence I (we) need.

It is no different than trying to prove ghosts, poltergeists, etc. exist.

You are at a loss. Period. Fact. Period

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@TWS1405

"no one can prove god exists, therefore no god." is essentially what you're saying.
Just as i may or may not be able to prove Gods existence, you too cannot disprove it. So it strikes me as odd you're just as dogmatic and black and white as the ones you claim to be fools.

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@Ehyeh

Nice #intellectualcoward retort/thinking

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@TWS1405

Nice black and white thinking.

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@Ehyeh

There is no God. You cannot prove the unprovable.

Especially when God, the monotheism version, was created out of a perversion of many gods.

The entire concept of religion and deities is man-made. Period.

Religion is the first best example of not only mass hysteria, bit also mass psychosis.

Any fallacious belief in an unknowing so-called God is a farce.

The Bible, Old and New Testaments are replete with one contradiction after another.

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@RationalMadman

"here is absolutely nothing about this that requires one to either be non-separate nor separate from god"

we'll see about that. I could of even conceded that argument you presented there, as long as getting rid of separation gets rid of duality and necessitates a new emotional inner world. All of that science stuff is irrelevant. Your argument also presented as extremely generalising of men and women's roles. at the end of it all, if we both agree we feel angry due to expectations. You give me a very powerful foothold there regardless of what makes different people angry. if you choose to take the debate again in the future. It will be far far stronger of an argument too, i always win in the end.

That's hot

I'm not sure why you thought that was mocking. I'm not sure where there was any statement of ridicule or contempt. Sorry if it came across that way.

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@Ehyeh

Not sure why you are mocking someone's theological beliefs but sure.

As fir the real diety in charge, she couldn't care less if you mock her or not, she is more sadistic than she is egotistical.

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@RationalMadman

That's hot.

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@Ehyeh

If 'god' is either, she is a mother figure, a big sister figure.

God has nearly nothing other than omnipotence to render it as a he over a she. The human is female in the womb and transforms from XX to XY later on, the clitoris is what is transformed into the penis head and the original body being female is the only reason males have nipples. The raw/original being of reality is a feminine creator that birthed us akin to a mother.

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@RationalMadman

the Goddess? can you explain that? I'm confused, you believe in a goddess?

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@Ehyeh

There are three separate things here.

My views
Taoism
This debate

I am allowed to completely lie in a debate and represent what I disagree with, as long as I play to win. I have in my own life experienced emotional anguish that became lessened when i found the real goddess, in my eyes but she is sadistic and responsible for almost all our agony.

I have subjectively experienced this resolution being true, nothing in my theological outlook or the deity I bow before has anything ruling out lying even about my belief in her (note I bow and do not kneel before, she is not actually into that at all, which is why she kept herself hidden in the subtext if religions rather than ever revealing the full truth in one).

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@RationalMadman

Taoism simply talks of the "Tao" which in my eyes, is the the universe being described As being indescribable, as being infinite so you cant attach characteristics or images too it as nothing can do its reality justice. Its very similar to pantheism. It then goes on to say we find union with this indescribable reality at death. My philosophy is wholly consistent with this. I argue we suffer due to our sense of separation from the whole.

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@RationalMadman

When i say "God" it must be clarified i more so mean the universe as God, or our sense of ego or "I" causes us suffering. I don't see God in the sense you're probably imagining.

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@Ehyeh

the personality and agenda of the original consciousness/creator is pretty unattainable in Taoism and easily the god is responsible for emotional issues... so...

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@Ehyeh

that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not all emotional issues during one's human life stem from separation from god. If anything Taoism explicitly tells us to be balanced and not get too obsessed with god.

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@RationalMadman

Taoism literally teaches in spiritual immortality, where the spirit of the body joins the universe after death. Although, id argue it already is joined with the universe in life.

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@RationalMadman

It does much more than you think. I'm simply talking about one aspect or the negative aspect of duality. I think to find wholeness, duality or labeling of good and evil must cease all together. Only then can you express your true individuality. As soon as you create separateness you create duality, good and evil. To feel good you now open yourself up to feel bad. This can only be fixed through the breakdown of group categorisations which can only be done through changing boundaries between things, changing identity.

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@Ehyeh

nothing in taoism at all agrees with this and I am my own thinker I accidentally realised I have a lot in common with how Taoists think, especially with regards to animals.

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@RationalMadman

I'm curious how you can argue against this philosophy, considering you're a Taoist. Maybe you thought i was arguing for the Abrahamic God? My pantheism is perfectly in alignment with the way of Tao, and its philosophy of duality. I just deify the universe a bit more.