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The religion of Islam does not oppress women

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rayhan16
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Islam is a religion of peace, not a religion of oppression. Women are not oppressed.

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@whiteflame
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@SirAnonymous

Opponent full forfeited, please vote for pro on this one

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@Novice_II

Your joking right?

Con clearly won this debate

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@Ehyeh

The main thing to grasp is I am talking about the vast majority. I am saying men who only want to marry for sex, will use and abuse that woman. The woman will have many kids, as men's desires will always get in the way, this is a fact. Men need to control their desires as they are taught in Islam, however the western world has capitalised on them and corrupted their mindset. If everyone works, who is going to look after the children. Plus if the mother has about 8 children, 2 from each father, the kid will have 4 different fathers which makes no sense whatsoever. There are so much reasons to why a woman is not allowed to have 4 husbands. Even though not all women and not all men is a thing, most men and most women is also a thing. It is ok to generalize if we are talking about the vast majority, but I am going to say there are some exceptions, the minority of women so to say.

I think I have given satisfactory answers to your question in my opinion

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@rayhan16

How do you know? im sure some women could handle it, why is it that the men have to be stay at home fathers? they can work too. I feel like its generally best not to have these massive generalisations about people because of their sex, its very easy to be wrong. Not all women are emotional nor anything exceptionally weak compared to men.

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@Ehyeh

I am not saying women are incapable of working. I am just saying it is too much stress for a woman who is born to be more emotional and less physical to provide for 4 men who all have different wants and needs and her children too. And the firepower of the men must be taken into consideration. Men can be much abusive to women in these sort of scenarios

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@rayhan16

Women are more emotional on average, sex characteristics exist along a spectrum. Women do just fine in most workplaces, better than men in customer service roles usually. So should big women, lets say women above 5'10 be allowed to work in construction culturally? if not why not if a 5'4 man can? Its essential for women to work in the economy these days, otherwise economic recession is destined to happen. Especially in European nations. Its just not realistic.

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@Ehyeh

It is a woman's free will to work if she wants, yes of course they are happier to be at home and look after the kids. However the thing about the GDP, you said without women the economy would be lower. Of course it would however without men it would be even more lower. Both genders are not equal in the economy by the way, men are more dominant in this saga but women are striving to be a more dominant than she is right now.

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@Ehyeh

You need to understand, it does not matter what time or era it is, women will always be naturally weaker than men. Whether this be emotionally or physically, they are designed to be more emotional and less biologically stronger. Sure a woman can work, Islam gives the right for a woman to do that, but for a woman who is already naturally weaker, to look after and feed and provide the money for and shelter 4 men and her children is too much of a ask. Not all women are the same, some can be stronger yet the vast majority are born with a more emotional side. Plus you have to account the firepower of the men, as they are naturally more stronger, they can be abusive to the 1 female. There are a range of factors.

Also about the safety net and divorce thing, in Islam we have a thing called a dowry. A woman can demand anything, it could be £100,000 or a new car or a new house etc, and if the man is financially capable to give her these things, then she is given a right to keep everything she demands and not pay a single penny of the divorce if she gets it. So she has left the marriage with something.

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@rayhan16

We can know who the father is, rayhan. I don't see why women should be societally pressured into being reliant on a man their entire lives. We don't live in a time where people can have 1 parent working, we don't live in a time where women can afford to have a man do everything for her, she has no safety net if they get divorced and she has no money or anything now.

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@rayhan16

I think women should have the opportunity to be career women, even if i think that's the wrong choice for them to make, most women are happier being stay at home mums, but i shouldn't dictate what others do with their free will. I shouldn't dictate if someone is allowed to let themselves experience sad emotions. Women being in the workplace also adds so much to the economy, that without women you will lose massive amounts of a nations GDP making everyone significantly poorer.

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@Ehyeh

Allah commanded him to marry all of his wives except Khadijah because they were all grieving as they lost their husbands. The Prophet (PBUH) provided for every single one of those wives and protected them until his death. It is not ok for a woman to have more than one husband. Not only because we won't know who the father is, but because that 1 woman has to provide for all 4 of her husbands and children. If we look at a woman in society now, we see that yes they think they can cope, but no.1 it is not their role in society to be the breadwinners, they have a right to work but their main aim is to keep stability in a family and look after children and no.2 they are mentally strained. 4 husbands need to be looked after, fed and kept in good condition. same with children. same with anyone else in the 1 woman's life. A man is told if you cannot handle 4 wives then only marry 1. So if he has a mental strain then only marry 1

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@rayhan16

Why would Allah command him to marry women which wont reproduce? it appears to be a double standard to me. Since he made his followers turn away baron women. Based on your own standards, if women cant have more than one husband due to not knowing who the father is, isn't it now ok for a woman to have more than one husband since we do have DNA testing? since we do have condoms now?

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@Ehyeh

Because Allah commanded him to marry. Plus some of his wives reproduced

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@rayhan16

Why didnt prophet Muhammad simply donate money too then? why is he the exception to the rule? this same thing happened when he raided caravans, he kept most of the booty.

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@Ehyeh

The Quran doesn't state more than 4. It says marry two, three or four and stops. It implies 4 is the limit, even if they are widows. A man can donate money to the widow if he really wants to be just

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@rayhan16

why cant any man take extra widows in as long as he's just?

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@Ehyeh

Thanks and men can marry 4 wives if he wishes to but not more than 4. So 4 is the limit. The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was an exception because Allah had ordered him to marry 12/13 wives he did as almost all were widows who were suffering

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@rayhan16

I think you provided a pretty good argument rayhan. Although im confused about the "men can marry 4 wives" quote. Is there a limit to how many women a man is allowed to marry in Islam?

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@rayhan16

I think you should change the resolution to: The Religion of Islam Does Not Oppress Women, as I think that is what you are trying to convey. Right now, you could argue that women who are Islamic are being oppressed (not necessarily because of their religion), which is a truism.

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@Intelligence_06

That is just an opinion. There must be a reason why people may think Islam is sexist (in a bad way) if they are not within the religion. Maybe the scripture or maybe because they don't understand the true value of rights that Islam gives Muslim women

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@rayhan16

Maybe my wording is still that confusing there. I am trying to say that Islam is not sexist ideally(in Quran), not sexist considered by themselves, but sexist considered by other people outside the culture.

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@Intelligence_06

Isn't this double standards? Women are told what to do yes. But Men are told what to do as well. Men are told to 'lower their gaze', men are told to respect parents, men are told to do many things but why are you only referring to women and not men?

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@rayhan16

Well, maybe such misinterpretation was due to my poor choice of words that I have in writing text. I don't think women have a fixed "place" or don't know how to distinguish ethically, but simply that women in Islam are told that what they are supposed to do and gladly accepts it as they think it is right, well at least a numerous portion of them minus outliers.

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@Intelligence_06

Your name has the opposite reflection of you. Women have brains and are smart enough to make their own decisions. Are you saying that women do not have the capability to find a difference between right and wrong because that is certainly what you are implying. According to your logic, women do not have the knowledge as much as men do which is extremely sexist

Does women being brainwashed upon entering the religion so they will accept their place count as oppression? Because that is the only question. We think they are, but they don't.