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THBT: Pantheism does not deny the individuality of human beings

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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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Description

A lot of people condemn pantheism, as they feel like it destroys peoples individuality and uniqueness, I'd like to challenge this perspective.

Definitions:
individuality: The quality or state of being individual; singularity.

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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Bones
@Novice_II

4 days left, 0 votes, care to change that?

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@Intelligence_06

Seeing this debate has given me flashbacks to the fact that you don't debate ideas but definitions. I'm going to have to block you whenever i open a new debate and unblock you when someone accepts. I have little time to argue the definitions of words for hours each day instead of discussing the ideas i present in themselves. I've never had these semantic games with anyone but you.

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@RationalMadman
@Barney
@oromagi
@Novice_II
@christianm

Need votes, plz

Tough one. Both did well

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@Intelligence_06

My burden of proof was never to prove pantheism doesn't eradicate some individuality but more so that individuality does remain in pantheism. Even without pantheism you have a lack of individuality in many areas. I felt like that was a strawman that you said that, but that's to be expected (from reading your about me). You cannot divide the user from the account, btw.

AHHHHHH I misused Russell's teapot here.. I meant to say that per Russell's teapot it would be Pro's burden to disprove this unfalsifiable claim(proving the inverse), which he failed to do. The default is neither no god nor there being one. The default is neither there being one nor there being none.

"I'm skeptical of rebirth and much prefer it being called reincarnation if it is a thing. You're only truly born once, the rest are your later avatars. I'm a nature over nurture type of person and I don't see it as pessimistic, instead I understand that an idiot literally cannot think their way out of their retarded brain chemistry, memories etc. This applies to muchore."

I'm unsure why you think the original is any better than the paraphrase. By definition idiot has the same definition of someone with down syndrome, no one uses the word idiot to mean lazy. it means foolish in modern language, but the fact you later backed it up with the r word lead me to believe you didnt mean just foolish people but those with down syndrome. The problem wasn't me taking it out of context, it barely is. You just don't like that others can see it more readily as you care what people on this site think of you.

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@Ehyeh

No, you were not being kind at all. I know/knew a person or two with Down's and they are not idiots.

Idiots tend to be people too lazy to use their brain well, which was why I said brain chemistry, as opposed to those struggling to the best of their ability every day and being actively alert and as useful as they can be.

Do not fucking misquote me and tell me it is a kindness.

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@RationalMadman

Idiot definition:
A person who is considered foolish or stupid.
A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

I was being kind to you to exchange idiot with down syndrome as its far more respectable, i only used the r word simply for paraphrasing reasons and saying think their way out of their down syndrome brain chemistry didnt sound like it made as much sense. But maybe i should of regardless, and that's something i should of done better.

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@Ehyeh

then use the term idiot please thanks, I never said down's syndrome.

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@Ehyeh

Why are you quoting me without context then? I can also find a harsh or silly quote of yours and ignore the context it was said in at a later point.

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@RationalMadman

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simplybeourselves
06.15.20 08:50PM
What's your opinion on reincarnation?

That's between me and the goddess of reality. Are you reincarnating your account?

I'm skeptical of rebirth and much prefer it being called reincarnation if it is a thing. You're only truly born once, the rest are your later avatars. I'm a nature over nurture type of person and I don't see it as pessimistic, instead I understand that an idiot literally cannot think their way out of their retarded brain chemistry, memories etc. This applies to muchore.

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@RationalMadman

"I am not sure where I exactly said the quote Ehyeh is saying nor to I want to be associated with using the term 'retarded"

Its in your answered questions, where you said that. Scoop through them all.

Pantheism can mean multiple Gods, not necessarily though. I believe in a Spinoza form of pantheism, which doesnt get divided into seperate Gods but is simply one with the universe.

"Actually narcissists can be very empathetic"

only in so far as they can relate to you. Narcissists are going to be less empathetic on average compared to people without narcissistic qualities.

Brain chemistry isn't the same as neurological brain structure btw, chemistry refers to hormones.

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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Ehyeh

I am not sure where I exactly said the quote Ehyeh is saying nor to I want to be associated with using the term 'retarded' with regards to people that are mentally challenged, tbh.

I don't know why I am being attributed to that at all.

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@Ehyeh

Pantheism means multiple gods/demigods, you are mixing terms together btw.

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@Ehyeh

I did not say it promotes lack of empathy, it promotes lack of any suffering mattering.

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@Ehyeh

Actually narcissists can be very empathetic, modern usage of the term is too colloquial and fails to understand something about narcissists that are not sociopath or psychopathic.

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@RationalMadman

The point i was expounding was that they have shared qualities in a lack of empathy. I'm unsure how pantheism can promote a lack of empathy. I will debate you on it anytime.

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@Ehyeh

psychopathy and narcissism are not the same thing.

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@RationalMadman

Does this sound like a philosophy that promotes psychopathy to you? Ego or separateness is what leads to narcissism. Narcissism leads to a lack of empathy. Pantheism is extremely humanising of other beings. In pantheism, you can only uplift yourself by uplifting the all. If the ego is the sense of "I" that creates distinction and separateness, then the ego is that which then leads to selfishness through said sense of "I." Therefore, a more universal "I" ought to be adopted so even acts of selfish acts are "selfless."

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@RationalMadman

I will be taking some inspiration from you in my first round argument, potentially some plagiarism.

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@Intelligence_06

go ahead, accept sir.

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@Ehyeh

That is blatantly what is meant.

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@Ehyeh

Do you mean "Pantheism does not deny the individuality of human beings"? Change it to that I will accept.