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#3546

The gender pay gap does not exist

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 4 votes and with 28 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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@TWS1405

Ideally. Ideally the power transfer is 100%. Show me statistics that debunk mine.

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@Intelligence_06

And the post I made with the debunking of the claims addresses the fact women typically tend to work in jobs that pay less, and why; thus, debunking the wage gap.

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@TWS1405

He didnt even put it in the description. Its his own fault if he wants to be ambiguous.

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@TWS1405

I can see what you are saying, women are not UNFAIRLY paid less. Yet, there is statistically still a gap due to women literally tend to work in jobs that pay less, comparatively to for example, men.

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@TWS1405

We could have another debate on the same topic if you really want. However, different firms can simply have different salaries, and maybe in some industries women tend to work in firms with lower salaries (statistically, not voluntarily) for a job, resulting in 0.99/1$. Just because they do the same work doesn't mean they get to be paid the same all across the world. A computer mechanic in Silicon Valley might as well earn more money than, for example, a computer mechanic in a small town with not a lot of computers in there.

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@Intelligence_06
@Ehyeh

OMG! Cherry picking one term in dismissing the entirety of my comment is absolutely ridiculous. Remove the why and the statement and that which follows is directly applicable to the debate. Also, if it does (or doesn't), the why (substantiating the burden of proof) comes into play you clown.

Intelligence_06, your reply is nothing short of sophomoric.

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@TWS1405

The debate prompt is if a gender pay gap exists, not why.

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@TWS1405

And poor people did not have anything unfair, they just made bad decisions. LOL

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@Intelligence_06
@Ehyeh

Why the Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth

Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more. Top 10 most dangerous jobs (from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics): Fishers, loggers, aircraft pilots, farmers and ranchers, roofers, iron and steel workers, refuse and recyclable material collectors, industrial machinery installation and repair, truck drivers, construction laborers. They're all male-dominated jobs.

Men are far more likely to work in higher-paying fields and occupations (by choice). According to the White House report, "In 2009, only 7 percent of female professionals were employed in the relatively high paying computer and engineering fields, compared with 38 percent of male professionals." Professional women, on the other hand, are far more prevalent "in the relatively low-paying education and health care occupations."

Men are far more likely to take work in uncomfortable, isolated, and undesirable locations that pay more.Men work longer hours than women do. The average fulltime working man works 6 hours per week or 15 percent longer than the average fulltime working woman.

Men are more likely to take jobs that require work on weekends and evenings and therefore pay more.

Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization. For example, within the medical profession, men gravitate to relatively high-stress and high-paying areas of specialization, like surgery, while women are more likely to pursue relatively lower-paid areas of specialization like pediatrician or dentist.

Despite all of the above, unmarried women who've never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men, according to Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau.

Women business owners make less than half of what male business owners make, which, since they have no boss, means it's independent of discrimination. The reason for the disparity, according to a Rochester Institute of Technology study, is that money is the primary motivator for 76% of men versus only 29% of women. Women place a higher premium on shorter work weeks, proximity to home, fulfillment, autonomy, and safety, according to Nemko.

It's hard to argue with Nemko's position which, simply put, is this: When women make the same career choices as men, they earn the same amount as men. As far as I'm concerned, this is one myth that has been officially and completely busted. Maybe you should celebrate International Women's Day 2011 by empowering women with the truth instead of treating them like victims ... which they're not.

Update 3/18/11: A reader was kind enought to send me a link to "An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women" prepared, under contract, for the U.S. Department of Labor in 1/09: "This study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

Forbes article on a wage gap case thrown out: https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2019/06/06/dispelling-myths-about-the-gender-pay-gap/?sh=51fada0046fa

this is an easy win for Darth maul.

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@GabrielBoyce

Always remember to define your terms before the debate starts, even if that inherently benefits you.

The wording here is going to be the focus of the debate. The gap exists, but not due to gender discrimination.

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@GabrielBoyce

Make it about pre 2017 and limit it to the upper middle class type salaries and upwards.

If you do this, I will accept.