Instigator / Pro
1
1483
rating
327
debates
40.21%
won
Topic
#3551

Very dishonest and proof of dishonesty on a platform.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
1
2

After 3 votes and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Novice_II
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
2
1890
rating
98
debates
93.37%
won
Description

Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

I had created a biblical debate here stipulating that Bible , chapter and verse must be presented verbatim to prove the subject matter.

The person that does not fulfill that loses the debate outright. The persons that vote , award points to the person that did not meet the debate conditions is with just as dishonest or slow to comprehend.

A biblical debate between Smallwood Muhammad and Bishop E.W. Tookes can be found on YouTube.
The debate was before a mass of folks that understood that each speaker had to bring scripture to prove their point.

The scripture brought said expressly what was needed to refute all other arguments. The masses served as witnesses of this and acknowledged what was not brought.

Now this is a straightforward on the nose type of topic. It's suspected to be highly non-disputable but that means it's true and nobody coming on to debate.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

I don't even know what the topic is trying to present, but I am pretty clear that Pro entirely failed to properly embrace it because all he did was asking one single question, then claim the question went unanswered as an actual point when Pro made no connection between that point and what the topic is. There is nothing arguing of "dishonesty" in that statement.

IDK but I am pretty sure that "proof of dishonesty on a platform" is in the topic and unmentioned in Pro's arguments. Con successfully acknowledges that such an argument was not made as a result the topic is never proven. Con wins.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

I am not sure how else to explain this vote than to tell you that in Round 2, Con linked to the direct evidence (Baptism debate) required to prove the resolution true, in fact he linked to 2 separate occasions where the reader has full flexibility to interpret it that way and proved himself dishonest and poorly conducted within the debate, adding to the allegations that Pro is claiming to experience, incapable to answer the single question Pro asked all first 2 Rounds which Pro points out is highlighting dishonesty.

I am not certain that Con actually made a single argument other than to mock Pro and link to evidence that literally categorically saved Pro's case under the very intepretation that Con had provided. Both debaters agreed to a debate description that stated that seeking truth was paramount here, not winning, which then extended to establish that the Baptism debate was the focus and that Mall felt his opponent hadn't properly studied/explored the Bible within it.

This vote, to me, cannot go to Con unless I want to be a coward about things.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro failed to make an argument and only made any comment of substance in the final round, but even then it was just declaring that Con's arguments somehow proved Pro right. It is hard to argue that Pro made any effort at making a real argument to support the resolution, which just leaves Con's untouched case as the only real effort. As such, points have to go to Con.