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#3617

THBT: People should be forced into recovery programs

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After 3 votes and with 19 points ahead, the winner is...

Ehyeh
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People should be forced into recovery programs, such as those to deal with severe drug abuse, severe eating disorders, and so on. In the United States, if you're a legal adult, you have the ability to refuse treatment/medical intervention and to essentially allow yourself to die, at least in many parts of America. This will be the topic of stipulation. In other parts of the globe, such as Canada, people can be forced into rehabilitation programs to save their lives, I will be arguing that this is the correct and most logical policy.

Pro: people should sometimes be forced into recovery programs
Con: people should never be forced into recovery programs

putting lyrics is inappropriate after the debate is over, ok. How exactly is that offensive to anybody?

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@Ehyeh

Actually, that would be the violation of the agreement.

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@Intelligence_06

"the drug addict agreed he would go to rehab, he violated this agreement. he didnt go so now we have to force him at gun point"

is a great analogy to what you're saying.

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@Ehyeh

Because the Taiwanese "appeared" to agree but actually plotted separatism. Back in like the 70s and 80s the relationships were much more lax. It is their fault. Let's move to the DMs for further discussion, ay?

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@Intelligence_06

I find it odd that we agree we shouldn't drug people to take them to rehab even to save their lives. Yet you believe Chinese military intervention is justified in Taiwan (killing millions) just because of a difference in economic policy, created of their own democratic will? why is it within china's authority to decide for them what they should be able to do, if it shouldn't in the case of the addicted and needy? even if we agreed Chinas economic policy is superior, how do you go from that to making a moral ought to force it on the Taiwanese who don't want it?

If china went did decide to invade Taiwan, it would lead to the fall of China as we know it, so thankfully it wont make that silly decision.

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@Ehyeh

The people there doesn't want to be because a lightly-regulated market for textbooks is selling separatist stuff propagandized by a group of selfish politicians who just likes capitalism...I guess, under the trope that they think "China has no rights" (They are true, China would not allow them to make unreasonable amounts of profit off of THIS) so they turn to the US. They twist historical facts and make so that they paint China as tyrannical (incorrectly).

And the textbook become bestsellers and the people are brainwashed despite them not supposed to.

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@Intelligence_06

May I ask why you think Taiwan belongs to China? Even assuming it is, the people there don't want to be. In the UK, for instance, the Scottish, Irish, and Welsh can cede and leave the United Kingdom whenever they want through a referendum. They have even had these referendums done in the past. Why is China so incessant in not giving these people what they want?

People in china strike a lot of westerners as very "hive - mind" like. Very susceptible to just doing what they're told and not thinking for themselves but only within the boundaries of their cultures.

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@Ehyeh

Yeah, I am with China here, like I always do.

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@Ehyeh

I firmly stand that we should probably tell addicts why recovery programs are good for them and they should join, but drugging people is like pulling random men from streets and then tell them forcefully they are a part of the US navy.

Yeah, if we interpret the topic moderately --- not extremely semantically, like I do in many cases, I agree with you.

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@Intelligence_06

Did you hear about china threatening military intervention just because Nancy Pelosi was flying to Taiwan? that stuffs wild, the Chinese people need to do something about their government before it gets everyone killed.

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@Intelligence_06

Its a joke. In most places, the state can force people to go into rehab with a court order. It clearly isn't that radical, if you take away the drugging part. You have a moral obligation to stop someone from committing suicide (in normative ethical frameworks) if you believe its wrong to watch someone hang themselves, you also ought to believe it wrong to watch and not help a drug addict who will soon kill themselves from their addiction without medical and institutional intervention.

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@Ehyeh

You are willing to drug addicts to get into rehab. Look, in China, being a drug dealer is punishable for death or imprisonment for life, but even then nobody says anything as radical as this unironically.

My point being: Your idea is rad. I haven't seen your proof of this but I am against tranquilizing addicts to put them under rehab, all day, everyday.

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@Intelligence_06

What must be done must be done.

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@Ehyeh

Eh, I doubt any drug rehab center would first drug a person to come.

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@Intelligence_06

If i put you in a straitjacket against your will after sedating you with horse tranquilisers. Was that not against your will? but you're right.

I was forced into treatment. Fun days, really. Especially that urinary catheter experience.

Forcing someone to do something can be seen as nonexistent. It is always their choice to obey you, they voluntarily did.