Instigator / Pro
21
1516
rating
1
debates
100.0%
won
Topic
#373

Captain America will beat Batman in a straight up fight

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
0
Better sources
6
6
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
3
3

After 3 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Block19
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
12
1484
rating
1
debates
0.0%
won
Description

Given only their abilities as they are described on paper and not based on the feats we see on comic books or film as they have varied wildly throughout the years and different media. They will also only be allowed to use tools and weapons that they carry with them on a normal day, no outside help, no upfront knowledge about the other, no running away to fight another day. This is my first debate on debateart so i want to start with something simple.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

These arguments are about who would win in a fight, and i thought it would be batman because he has so many fighting skills and cool gear. Most of the round were forfeited, but the ones that weren't forfeited, the instigator was able to defend his proposition without a response from challenger. Challenger said "Can you please explain to me how Cap would be able to dodge Batman's weapons or fights off all of them with his shield?" And the next round Pro responded "Captain america's incredible reflexes and senses give him the ability to dodge a vast array of projectiles, and his shields ability to stop any and all oncoming impact and other forces that batman could pull from his utility belt." This is a good response and it is not challenged by the challenger because they forfeit, so I now think captain America wins this fight and instigator (green) wins the convincing arguments point.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Most of the debate was forfeit by both sides, however, based on what little was offered I have to side with Pro. The setup of the debate makes the scenario wildly unfair to Batman as a ordinary mortal human whose ability comes mainly from his intellect, investigative ability and access to advanced technology through his alternate persona as Bruce Wayne. Pro sets up the debate and also makes arguments which greatly limit Batman's ability to access these abilities. Con's only counter argument is that Batman has trained his agility, while Captain America supposedly did not. Con also asked Pro to explain how Captain America would use his shield during the fight, which provoked Pro to describe how Captain America would not only use his shield, but his superior stamina would eventually prevail against Batman in an extended battle. As Con forfeit the remainder of the debate beyond that point and nothing else was offered, Pro wins by default.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full forfeit - but this hinges on “a straight up fight”. While Batman beat other foes, I found the argument that Batman needed preparation - thus not a straight up fight completely valid for refuting cons position.

The argument concerning caps reflexes and sheild allowing defensive nullification of Batman’s tools - the remaining balance is down to stamina - with cap beating Batman by attrition.

I would have loved to see more of an argument, but I would hand this to pro as a result of the above.