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#3865

Barney is not a good debater (finale) @Barney

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After 8 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

Barney
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3
Time for argument
Two weeks
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Description

topic: Barney is not a good debater.
After Barney complaining that he is still better than me, I have decided to run it for real. Let's go -lot of characters, two weeks for argument. Let's see who the real boss is. If Barney wins, I will leave this site forever - I will have my account banned and I will never come back. This is the ultimatum. Although, I'm sure Barney will not accept because in the forums he has already said he doesn't believe I wrote my argument.
terms -
Exceptional
:forming an exception or rare instance; unusual; extraordinary
Good
: of high quality; excellent.
Average
: a quantity/quality or the like that represents or approximates an arithmetic mean:
Bad
: of poor or inferior quality; defective; deficient:
All definitions come directly from dictionary.com (I added the word quality in the definition of average so that we know we are talking about quality here)
RULES
1. Only Barney may accept this debate. If anyone else accepts, you will be disqualified.
2. we DONT CONSIDER ddo
3. As with the terms above, just use dictionary definitions.
4. we are arguing about whether Barney's performance on debateart.com makes him a good debater.

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@Barney

"As for arguing I'm bad at debating... It would be a logical paradox, since arguing it well would disprove itself."

Unfortunately you are probably right as the voting is far from tabula rasa here

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@Sir.Lancelot

I had to look up what that was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7FMh3YtK_w

Nobody can match Barney’s unbeatable style of Soresu.

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@Intelligence_06
@zing_book

Thank you both for voting.

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@RationalMadman

Thank you for voting.

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@Sir.Lancelot

Thanks for voting, and for the Star Wars comparison!

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@Barney
@Vici

Old Barney Kenobi demonstrating once again why he’s one of the best Jedi.

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@Best.Korea

Given that they claim to have won every debate they lost, I would not expect them to abide by their little bet.

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@PREZ-HILTON

"Forfeited" is such an improved argument over their last offering, that I am not sure if it's possible for me to win. 🙃

As for arguing I'm bad at debating... It would be a logical paradox, since arguing it well would disprove itself.

And the investigation of Vici was put on hold by my request, allowing them to have this rematch. Granted, since the account seems abandoned, it's probably not worth continuing.

Vici did say he will leave the site forever if he loses.

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@SirAnonymous

She was quite obviously not an alt and the mods shouldn't have even humored that nonsense.

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@Ragnar

You offered zero rebuttals to prose contentions so not sure how you expect to win this.

BTW, it would go further to prove you are good by arguing and winning by taking the position you are bad at debating.

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@Vici

Three hours remain for you to post your argument.

It would seem that, if Vici was indeed an alt, that the person behind it has abandoned the account.

Either that or Vici was the victim of a conspiracy!

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@Vici

I've been fine with deleting debates in the past to be extra sporting.

However, I do not care to reward liars. If you're not lying, you should just go back to the 18th again and post it then.

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@Barney

Said document indicates it was ready sometime on the18th,

if you know this then why do you have to be such a fucking jerk? It's not my fault that the fucking site would not let me in. If the site didn't let you in it would be out of your control and I would know that so I would let you remake the argument and post it into the comments. many other debaters have done this in this the past on this site (jeffgoldum)and its all right but you're just such a fucking stuck up cunt that you have to preserve your ego. if you really thought you were good you would think you could beat me on fair grounds, not by site crash.

Funny commentary on Oromagi believing he would lose again to Barney after his lost on DDO. He was probably one of the few tough challengers as he carefully picks his debate and has a weird but succinct style overall. I’m actually not sure who would win on a neutral topic like minimum wage or something.

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@Barney

I messaged Whiteflames 14 minutes after the completing of my round with photographic evidence that the site would not let me in and also that my round was finished. Also, I have spoken to users before this issue took place complaining that the website is often crashing when I get in (therefore more credibility since this has happened before). Could we make a new debate and I'll just send the same thing in because I dont want voters to be confused

I should have time to review this on Monday.

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@Barney

https://justpaste.it/7cfv6

just to make sure you saw it. Thanks!not my fualt there was a site crash of course...

do you not think that this is just the best thing to do lmao

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@Barney

only 9 days so still time for us to delete this debate.

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@Barney

Hello, do you agree that a recreating of the debate is the most virtuous thing to do?

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@Barney

Dont want to bombard, but here is my argumemt https://justpaste.it/7cfv6 posted on the day of the closing of the contest.

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@Vici

Regardless of the source of a given problem, a debate is between two people and the decision to delete said debate requires both sides to agree, absent the case where one side just doesn't show up at all. If you want to let voters decide that instead, you can always just post your R1 here in the comments and argue that voters should consider it as your R1 because of site issues. Otherwise, you'll have to wait and see whether Barney agrees.

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@whiteflame

as thi was a site issue (prove provided) I request that this debate is deleted immediately. thank you

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@Barney

Do you agree to have this debate deleted, as to allow for a fair chance for both participants?

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@whiteflame

I was attempting to log in for an hour.

and as shown it wasn't working.

All my other websites were working, discord, Facebook, etc.

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@Barney

hey friend, as you can see, this is a site issue (https://imgur.com/a/HX4sHZw) which was happening before I could submit, and I have a also messaged members of this website at a prior time telling them that I had issues logging into this site. Also, my arguments already done before the due date (https://justpaste.it/7cfv6) so could we create another contest?

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@Barney

hello good friend! Can we make a new debate and when you accept I'll submit an argument as soon as I see you have accepted (the exactly argument in the link I posted yesterday).

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@Vici

If Barney agrees, I can have this debate deleted and you can remake it. Otherwise, whether it was a site bug or anything else, there’s nothing I can do to fix it.

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@whiteflame

this is not my fault - I have proof I was no able to get into the site and also proof that the argument was ready prior to the date

what the fuck is this - I couldn't even get into the site.

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@Barney
@whiteflame

can we confirm that I can submit this as a document

(https://justpaste.it/7cfv6)

observe the date 19th

https://imgur.com/a/HX4sHZw

this fucking started happening and when I tried to get back into the site it started bugging

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@Barney

could I submit this as a form of a document?

I have it in a document and proof that it was complete before the time.

it hasn't been letting me get in

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@Barney

I already finished but it didn't let me post

time to get a coffee and hit the type righter.

oops haven't started

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@Barney

oh so just because I mentioned teject, means that my proof of whiteflames, bmdrocks21, RationalMadMan, Intelligence and MrChris are somehow null? I think you are lacking in the reason faculty.

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@Vici

Yes, your previous one did.

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@Barney

was my argument reliant on DDO in other words will my argument collapse without DDO yes or no.

To prove me wrong you'd need to hack into the server and edit your previous arguments were relied upon DDO.

relied? Again, since you are illiterate you ignored that whiteflames, bmdrocks21, RationalMadMan, Intelligence and MrChris have a good record here? and that I mentioned a plethora of examples which prove you wrong? Did my argument rely on DDO? IF YES then you are clearly just not smart.

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@Vici

You didn't prove me wrong. To prove me wrong you'd need to hack into the server and edit your previous arguments were relied upon DDO.
All you did was declare that mixing the data sets together at random doesn't count as using the wrong one so long as some unknown amount of the data is from the right place. Which is mind numbingly stupid.

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@Barney

oh so you've moved away then? first you accuse me of using ddo. then I prove you wrong you move to the "man just post an argument". nice!

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@Vici

Just post your argument if you have one.

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@Barney

oh so then you ignored that whiteflames, bmdrocks21, RationalMadMan, Intelligence and MrChris have a good record here? Great!

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@Vici

Your sample set of data included records harvested from DDO, reducing the only contention you didn't wholly lose on to be a direct violation of your own rule.

If you wanted to debate that my performance on DDO sucks if we ignore my records from DDO and contrast that against other peoples, that is the debate you should have challenged me to; instead that's the only line of argument anyone thinks you didn't completely lose on, and again, a violation of your own rule.