Instigator / Pro
11
1587
rating
182
debates
55.77%
won
Topic
#4087

1973 Nicolino Locche would beat 2007 Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
1

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
13
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

Nicolino Locche lacked punching power. He was 5’6 and a chain-smoker, as well as barrel-chested. In 1973, he was 34 years old and nearing the end of his career.

Floyd is 5’8. In 2007, Floyd Mayweather was 30 years old and his defensive style was very new. This was the year he beat Oscar De La Hoya. Current Floyd Mayweather has a 50-0 ratio, he has never lost a fight!

This match assumes they’re both competing in the 140-145 range.

Rules:
1. BOP is on Pro. Since it’s impossible to prove something completely, Pro only needs to successfully convince voters the accuracy of the resolution.
Con will be arguing that Floyd would win, but all Con needs to do to win is refute Pro’s case rather than establish the certainty of his own.

2. Pro must provide at least three sources to meet the BOP. Con doesn’t need any.

3. Hypothetical boxing match will be 12 rounds with each round being three minutes. Both fighters will be assumed to weigh inbetween 140-145 lbs.

4. Alterations and adjustments can be made before the debate but once you accept, you agree to the terms.

5. Voters are not required to know anything about boxing in order to vote. I assure you, I will cover everything in detail.

As you can see, I am already at a disadvantage so this will make things interesting.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

That's not how it works, a source on its own shouldn't be deeply read by people to make your case for you. It should be considered and weighed against the opponent's logic taking into account what is explained and proven.

Although, if you decide to do research before making a vote. I’d reckon the quickest way is to skim or read through the sources.

Mine:
https://www.studymartialarts.org/blog/7-different-fighting-styles-in-boxing

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/06/151225/

https://www.thefightcity.com/genius-nicolino-locche-wylie-boxing/

https://www.britishvintageboxing.com/post/nicolino-locche-the-untouchable

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/06/the-old-school-is-far-better-than-the-new/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/boxing-news-floyd-mayweather-reveals-why-he-intentionally-ducked-antonio-margarito/

https://evolve-mma.com/blog/5-fighters-floyd-mayweather-jr-avoided-in-their-prime/

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192195

-->
@AustinL0926

That is not how to vote. You should solely go by the research the debaters provide.

-->
@Public-Choice

Lancelot flattered you and weaver.

-->
@AustinL0926

Ok, sounds good!

I'll vote on this tomorrow - since I don't know much about boxing, I have to do research in order to understand the arguments in context.

-->
@Public-Choice

You didn’t.
I don’t even know why he would say that to you.

-->
@RationalMadman

I'm lost... When did I flatter anyone?

Sounds good!

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

Thanks man, I will vote after vacation.

-->
@Public-Choice
@Sir.Lancelot
@WeaverofFate

Name some of their viewpoints that are fascinating to prove it is not just empty flattery.

-->
@Public-Choice
@WeaverofFate

Voting starts in five hours.

You guys have fascinating viewpoints. Will be glad to have you guys vote on this, regardless of who you vote for.
Previous knowledge of boxing history might help, but it's not needed to judge on this.

-->
@RationalMadman

I'm not going to penalize you S/G points - I'm just saying that as a voter, it makes it harder to weigh impacts of individual arguments.

-->
@AustinL0926

The entire round 3 is a flowing case. Not sure what you want, a bunch of standalone lies like Pro gave.

I did my best to split it into paragraphs and make it a smooth read. If that loses me votes so be it.

-->
@RationalMadman

Please organize your arguments... it's genuinely painful for me as a voter.

-->
@Public-Choice

That’s fine. I’d still like you as a voter regardless, but it’s up to you.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

Thank you for considering me, but I know almost nothing about boxing history so I would not be a good judge.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

I have no interest in this debate topic. Also I disagree that a voter can make an informed decision without prior knowledge on boxing. A textual explanation is insufficient to do anything but the most superficial analysis of each participants fighting history, rather than a definitive case on how each would prepare for and approach the fight.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

IDK about boxing either, but I'll try to give it a vote.

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPU9gQHib0

-->
@Sir.Lancelot

Perhaps, but idk shit about boxing.

-->
@Barney
@oromagi
@K_Michael
@Public-Choice
@AustinL0926

Would be interested to have your guys' vote as well.

-->
@WeaverofFate

Would you like to vote on this? I don’t expect your vote on any of my other current debates, but I would love your insight on this one for sure.