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The US military

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Alec
Debate details
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Politics
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Description
Rules:
1: The BoP is shared.
2: I will waive the 1st round and my opponent will waive the last round. They must signify this in the round. Violation is an automatic loss of the conduct point.
3: A forfeit is an automatic loss unless apologized for in the comments.
Round 1
Published:
I waive this round because of the rules.
Published:
MILITARY ?   at what point does humanity rise above MURDERING each other with more advanced weaponry ?

the human body is literally a flesh suit over muscle with a bone infrastructure....

IT is critical the more powerful NUCLEAR WEAPONS are created against this virtually invincible life form !  

Not enough.....laser beams....sound frequency disruptors...flash bombs...better flame devices to incinerate with...
more effective ?????   to vaporize and decimate all life on this PLANET

.............YES YES..why not 100 TRILLION.... 200 TRILLION.....

Keep it simple !  how about biological decimation...of water supply, and farm lands...like STARVE EVERYONE!  
less clean up !   or make it UGLY with a non curable flesh eating virus attack like ULTRA EBOLA ?  why not...

Need an EXCUSE ?   OK Russia...and China...an N Korea..++ anyone else they can invent as a threat to EARTH !

This is what the population of RUSSIANS WANT ....all 180 million +- want to destroy the planet...not enjoy living
traveling...innovating for health and wellness...every one of THEM wants total DESTRUCTION of EARTH....

Oh, and what about the 1 billion ++ CHINESE...they to want total CONTROL all 1 billion + all each man, woman, child 
wants bigger, more powerful weapons to DESTROY humanity with for POWER !   same goes for N KOREA...

Don't forget about every AMERICAN...all obsessed with POWER and needing to be #1  in weapons of total DESTRUCTION...

why not....who needs better education, health, new Cities and rebuilding worn out towns, creating the best ORGANIC farms 
on EARTH ?   no way....how about a BILLION DOLLAR BOMB !   cool...wipe out half the planet ..YES YES...make it 2 billion
AMERICA has to be #1  with the tools of DESTRUCTION   

..........NO WAY....all of this ENGINEERED MURDER MACHINERY may be useful for possible alien attacks in the future
but to be so determined to create and use it against HUMANITY and the ENVIRONMENT ?   only a FOOL would want this...

Apparently, the MEDIA and POLITICIANS for POWER want this more than anything...a HEALTHY THRIVING EARTH 
is out of the question....FEAR-DEATH-DESTRUCTION these are what matter...POWER-MONEY-CONTROL...this
is the #1 PRIORITY....your kids and grandkids ?   scapegoat puppets for upcoming WARS...all EXPENDABLE....
...POWER and PROFIT for the few...the rest can go to HELL and yes, they create the HELL...Wars, Political breakdown,
Religious oppression,...these parasites have it down....BUILD MORE WEAPONS...create the FEAR...enslave the masses
into dumbed down asses to serve...

VOTE YES......500 TRILLION for DEATH and DESTRUCTION weapons !    burn everyone and thing while the few hide in
underground bunkers...real smart..to live in a hole in the ground as the surface is out of the question..BRILLIANT !

Round 2
Published:
My opponent's main argument is that the military is bad because it costs lives.  However, I would like to point out, what about all the lives that it saves?  In South Korea and Japan for example, the US military protects 180 million South Koreans and Japanese people from the evils of communism(1).  Given that almost no lives are required to ensure their economic freedom and to save the lives of tens of millions of civilians, I would say that the US military does more good then arguable harm.

Source:

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ (The one that shows how many people would be saved from communism because of the US military.)

Published:
Not that the Military is BAD...more like how it is USED....

The prospect of a highly advanced Civilization that has eliminated the NEED for self destruction seems to be the stuff of Movies or TV series like Star Trek...

and why not ?    the human life form is the most extraordinary on this planet (possible ET presence is not verifiable)  and after 8000 years of recorded history
most of it has never ending DEATH and DESTRUCTION by power obsessed PSYCHOPATHS...all of which existed for a short time or were exterminated by
others seeking the same "I wanna rule the world psychosis"   psychopaths....

Kings ...Queens..Emperors...Presidents...Chief.....Ruler....Pharaoh...+++ all manner of idiotic LABELS attached to humans..not GODS...they just act like one !

So instead of promoting more WAR possibilities...why not invest and manifest competitions for innovative living and wellness ?   

Because the Global MONETARY system is designed to PROFIT by supporting  DEATH and DESTRUCTION with more machinery and methods...the masses of humanity are deemed available for experimentation and decimation with a number of methods....Bomb, biological, environmental contamination, media propaganda,
fabrication of events that are just that made up like some TV show....i.e. the IRAQ weapons of mass destruction farce...

No doubt ....of the so called 7 billion humans on EARTH a tiny fraction are playing a GAME of THRONES ...the majority (like 95 % ) of every Countries population on EARTH could care less about wanting to CONTROL...they want to live comfortably and safely...it's the handful of total PSYCHOTIC con artist SCUM....that use force
and economic oppression to subdue the masses into a SLAVERY EXISTENCE....the very few exploit and manipulate the masses...nothing new,

SO to make a big deal over more TOOLS to destroy humanity and the environment is the stuff of MEDIA PROPAGANDA....and bought off PUPPET Government
clowns with worthless TITLES who seek power for themselves...everyone LOSES...

Take the 21 TRILLION DOLLAR  US DEBT hoax....and match funds for innovative and creative solutions for living comfortably and VOILA ! it can be done !  
this would create a Global competition for quality of LIFE not DESTRUCTION....many so called MIGRANTS would not have to run away from PSYCHOPATH
Parasite Vampire fake Leaders if they could participate in building better and sustainable living conditions...

This is NOT a pathetic toilet paper printed MONEY issue...paper currency is truly glorified TOILET PAPER...just look at VENEZUELA...2 million for a loaf of stale bread !
        

So NO WAY  for investing in PETTY MINDED human parasites who could care less about LIFE...just their EGO....who want more reasons to create WAR and DEATH
for POWER and CONTROL...something no 1 person or country will achieve...always short term for nothing....

it's time for all of the masses to get rid of these PARASITE POWER OBSESSED VAMPIRES...and focus on co creating a healthy world for everyone, plants, animals,
sealife, etc   HUMANS have no where else to go in the Solar system and beyond....truly a pathetic species to allow a few PSYCHOPATHS so much power...

All religions must be reduced to Mythology status so no GOD becomes some scapegoat excuse to cause harm...and these worthless Government clowns who are only concerned with their CIRCUS of FOOLS competing for TITLES and could care less about anything else...all FIRED !  replaced with World builder engineers,
architects, scientists, educators, etc......

EARTH does not deserve these PARASITE VAMPIRES that rape and abuse it....and could easily exterminate all of humanity...maybe that is what it will take
Volcanic, earthquake, Tsunami, blocked sunlight, etc to rid the HUMAN parasite from its surface...and underneath bunkers for the retards who are creating the
global DEATH and destruction to hide in when things reach the breaking point....

NO WAY on investing to protect from the same idiotic psychotics.....

Round 3
Published:
Ignoring your big tangent about religion, the US military, while not perfect, certainly does more good then harm in the world.  I already mentioned that they save 180 million South Koreans and Japanese from Communism.  The BoP on why the US military sucks is on you.  I already provided my BoP share.
Published:
You missed the POINT and the details to substantiate it...

Summary....Military investment becomes a priority because HUMANS....the FEW... with IDIOTIC TITLES and POWER become obsessed with the need
for control using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...which itself perpetuates the CYCLE of using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE to gain and maintain
POWER....

The majority of HUMANITY....7 billion + are not obsessed with needing POWER and CONTROL using VIOLENCE as the primary TOOL...

Add up the total of IDIOTS  in POWER that use this FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE construct ....there are 195 Countries on Earth

so the max number of individuals in  POWER with the LEAD TITLE i.e. President-Chancellor...etc is 195...how many are NOW using 
Military OPPRESSION to maintain POWER and CONTROL...?  

Outside of America-China-Russia-Iran....who have the capability....and are actually THREATS to other populations ?  WHICH Countries
are obsessed with CONTROLLING other Countries ?   very few...but many as individual Nations are ravaged by MILITARY THREAT
OPPRESSION...which leads to economic oppression and depression...like VENEZUELA, HONDURAS, GUATEMALA, SUDAN, SYRIA, 
+++ many others...

Obsession with MILITARY is a HUMAN DISASTER....so until ?   and that is the POINT...until the whole of HUMANITY is weened off of
POWER and CONTROL using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE....stupid people will blindly support the WAR MACHINE and MILITARY
OPPRESSED STATE.....

The COMBINED number of MILITARY PERSONAL on EARTH is estimated to be between 20-25 million.....WAKE UP !    25 million + the
idiotic fake LEADERSHIP of most nations affects  7 + BILLION....7,000,000,000 + billion HUMANS ....plus the environment and countless
other species on this PLANET....what a JOKE

Add to this 20 million + the psychopaths in BUSINESS, DRUG, CRIME and the number is still very small compared to the masses......

............YOU are brainwashed by the MEDIA VAMPIRES to accept the world is under threat by a hand full of Psychopaths ..Russian Leaders
N. Korea, China , Iraq...

The majority of the populations in CHINA-RUSSIA-N. KOREA-IRAQ.....want FREEDOM and PROSPERITY...not DEATH and DESTRUCTION

A few American LEADERS (losers)  are the instigators of many CONFLICTS...a proven verifiable FACT....GOOGLE the Guatemala puppet 
leader and total decimation of their society when the CIA and United Fruit Company PSYCHOPATHS destroyed that Country using Military
force and THREATS...YOU are an IDIOT...to think all of this Military spending is to SAVE AMERICA from some threat !   

The sooner HUMANITY reduces the PSYCHOPATHS who use military for OPPRESSION to DUST and get on with INNOVATION for 
WELLNESS not POWER and CONTROL by FORCE....the Military will not be USED as a TOOL...


YOU should be OBSESSED with funding projects for HEALTH and WELLNESS = health care-education-new infrastructure-better housing
elimination of DRUGS and VIOLENT CRIME ORGANIZATIONS....not some idiotic PARADE of POWER....that puts AMERICA in the same 
category as N. KOREA...


Round 4
Published:
"Not that the Military is BAD...more like how it is USED..."  This is about the US military.  Not any other military.  Just the US military.  I believe they are good.  Do you believe that they are good too?

"Kings ...Queens..Emperors...Presidents...Chief.....Ruler....Pharaoh...+++ all manner of idiotic LABELS attached to humans..not GODS...they just act like one !"  The US has only a few of these labels.  I also believe that this is hard for me or the voters to understand.

"Military investment becomes a priority because HUMANS....the FEW... with IDIOTIC TITLES and POWER become obsessed with the need
for control using FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE"  That's not what the US military does.  We defend economic freedom worldwide and we defend economic freedom with the US in various proxy wars.  We also need a military to prevent a US invasion.  I don't want to get invaded by any nation anytime soon.  I don't want to get invaded by Russia or China.  A military protects our sovereignty.

"Take the 21 TRILLION DOLLAR  US DEBT hoax....and match funds for innovative and creative solutions for living comfortably and VOILA !"  We have a debt that is true.  However, our economy gets helped by our military because now we have 2 things because of the military:

1: More trading partners

"YOU are brainwashed by the MEDIA VAMPIRES to accept the world is under threat by a hand full of Psychopaths "  I think this should cost you 1 conduct point since this is insulting the other debater.


"YOU are an IDIOT...to think all of this Military spending is to SAVE AMERICA from some threat ! "  If we eliminate our military, then Communist nations would use this as an opportunity to invade Capitalist America and it's allies and enforce communism, which censors all right wingers and most of the left wing as well.  If you preach something in a communist society that is not far left, then you get put in jail or executed, depending on the country.

"YOU should be OBSESSED with funding projects for HEALTH and WELLNESS = health care-education-new infrastructure-better housing
elimination of DRUGS and VIOLENT CRIME ORGANIZATIONS....not some idiotic PARADE of POWER....that puts AMERICA in the same 
category as N. KOREA..."  Healthcare is a tangent to this topic and might be moving the goalposts.

Forfeited
Added:
For reference, when I said that the debate was about an increase in the military budget in my RFD, I was simply confused. I meant to say that the debate was about keeping a strong military.
#10
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--> @Alec
Seems as though this debate was improperly set up....TRY AGAIN ...keep it simple to start and end
Contender
#9
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Sorry, but I forgot to put the, "I will waive the 1st round and my opponent will waive the last round" rule in the debate challenge that I sent to you. Which one of us should argue first?
Instigator
#8
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--> @Alec
Fair enough, you did send a challenge. I will accept it shortly.
#7
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--> @blamonkey
I think I sent you a challenge but I want to make sure before I try again. I would prefer you going first so I get the last word.
Instigator
#6
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--> @Alec
I do think that Pro should set up their case first, though. It makes more sense for the affirmative position to explain exactly what they are affirming before hearing the opposite side. Nevertheless, if you feel strongly about it, I do not mind going first.
#5
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--> @Alec
If you are trying to argue that we need to spend more on the military, then specify that in your round one. The problem is that a "strong" military could mean a bunch of things. It could mean more hired personnel, more weapons contract etc. If you want to have a military funding debate though, then challenge me and I will take the side that we don't need more funding.
#4
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People have said that the US spends as much on their military as the next 17 countries put together. Should we have a military this big or bigger?
Instigator
#3
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"Above all else: be armed."
#2
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--> @Alec
By stronger military, do you mean increased spending?
I would love to debate you, but you need to be a little more specific.
#1
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Even without the forfeit by Con, Pro has already won this debate concerning an increase in the military budget. Con spends his entire case focused on the problems with the military. The issue with this is that it does not fulfill his BOP. If he proved how a strong military would necessarily lead to a more dangerous world, then perhaps he would stand a chance. Unfortunately, Con never gives me a source to substantiate his claims, never draws a link between military prowess and more global destruction/violence, and never tells me how any of his points really connect to the resolution.
Con sort of (and I am being exceptionally generous here,) offers a counter-plan which focuses on:
"...why not invest and manifest competitions for innovative living and wellness?"
I am not given any path forward to achieve this plan. Also, I do not know why keeping a strong military and investment in competitions for living and wellness could no both happen simultaneously. Pro mentions that the goal posts are moved by advocating for this plan. I disagree. I think Con is proposing ideas that are non-topical. As in, they do not pertain to the resolution at all. If Con laid out a detailed plan and linked it somewhat to the resolution, (i.e. using more funds from the military budget to fund healthcare coverage of poor people,) then perhaps he would have an interesting plan. Sans any details as to what he wants in R1, I can assume that he has no plan for implementation.
In this case, I buy Pro's arguments on face, even if they could be substantiated a bit better. For instance, proving that communist nations have an interest in conquering the US would have been a good start. I do have lingering questions about whether the current US military is strong as well. Regardless, at least Pro demonstrated the importance of having a strong military. He talked about protecting our allies, which is far more that what Con is doing.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Final forfeit is considered a total loss as per rules.
Even so: conduct to pro for forfeit: S&G to pro as con was incomprehensible, frequent use of capitalization, incessant use of ???? And elipses ... prevent. Sources as pro added to his warrant with his link concerning military weaponry - and lack of any warrant for claims con presented was harmful.
Arguments to pro as con was not comprehensible, was engaged in a largely true nonsensical rant and clearly neither engaging in good faith or clearly elaborating on any of the points raised. I must award pro arguments as a result of this as only pro is providing any form of debate argument that can be considered as such.
This is obviously not an attempt by con to engage in good faith, either by design or by capacity, to any degree - and as such as a voter I am not going to treat it as such for the sake of pro and for the sake of legitimate debate.