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#501

The God Of The KJV Bible Intended For Humans To Sin

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
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3
Better sources
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8
Better legibility
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4
Better conduct
5
2

After 5 votes and with 18 points ahead, the winner is...

MagicAintReal
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Description

*Rules*

Per DebateArt policy on moderation, rules and definitions are not binding on voters or debaters UNLESS both debaters request to the voters that the rules be followed and that the definitions be used when voting on the debate.

Well, this is my formal request to voters to follow the rules and to use the definitions below when voting.

1. So, to anyone wishing to accept this debate, please copy and paste the following phrase below, somewhere in your 1st round.

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*I request that voters follow the rules and definitions of this debate.*

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2. Failure to paste this phrase in the first round will result in the debate being reset by moderation, with no impact on either debater's rating or record; a true no contest.

3. Voters cannot be dishonest about what happened in the debate.

Dishonest votes include:

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4. Both debaters agree, by accepting the debate, that any votes that a) fail to address the majority of resolution-impacting points made by both debaters, b) are dishonest (see above) or lies about debater performance, or c) are vendetta votes/overtly biased will be requested, publicly, by both debaters to be removed by the mods.

5. Death23, Rational Madman, Raltar, any of their related accounts, and anyone currently restrained by moderation to interact with me may not vote on or participate in this debate.

*Full Resolution*
The god of the King James Version of the bible intended for humans to sin.

*Definitions*

god - the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/god

King James Version (KJV) - an English translation of the Bible made in 1611 at the order of King James I and still widely used.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/king_james_bible

bible - the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bible

intend - have (a course of action) as one's purpose or intention; plan.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/intend

human - a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/human_being

sin (v.) - commit an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sin

evil - profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/evil

May the better debater win!

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@Mharman

"Plz don't have this reset. I posted my argument with less than 20 seconds left on the clock." That is cool.

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@MagicAintReal

Thank you.

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@Mharman

Nice work on getting it in on time...applause.

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@Mharman

Yeah, but please get it in there...you know voters

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@MagicAintReal

Plz don't have this reset. I posted my argument with less than 20 seconds left on the clock.

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@MagicAintReal

OH SHIT

I forgot the copy and paste" I request that voters follow the rules and definitions of this debate."

Can I please do it in the second without resetting this debate?

Oh the trick was the word evil and that it was KJV. Virt got it right away...you need to broaden your expectations...getting old

That being said, it's still true that God actively intended it as you implied already.

wow look, you did precisely what I thought you would. xD

You removed the active element of intention meaning that all accidents become intended outcomes by default by God.

Virt already figured it out

You'll see that's wrong.

It definitely is. You have defined it as something much more passive than it usually is.

It's not the intend.

I will not try again. The definition of 'intend' is the key to how you'll make this axiomatic and a tautology. That doesn't mean I don't also support the genuine meaning of this resolution.

Nope.
Try again.

The semantic abuse is likely regarding the word 'intend' but even without that, it's still true.

Wait, you're not going to tell people to stay away from my debates?
There's gotta be some trick though, right?
Come on RM, you can figure it out.

As a Pagan I fully believe that this is true, especially OT God.