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3
1724
rating
27
debates
88.89%
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Topic
#545

The USFG should make the MMR vaccine mandatory

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

whiteflame
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Last updated date
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Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
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12,000
Voting period
One month
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Voting system
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Contender / Con
0
1506
rating
4
debates
50.0%
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Description

Full Topic: The United States Federal Government should mandate that individuals without a valid medical excuse receive the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccine.

Definitions

Vaccinations: A biological preparation that improves immunity to a particular disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism, and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as foreign, destroy it, and "remember" it, so that the immune system can more easily recognize and destroy any of these microorganisms that it later encounters.
Measles, mumps and rubella are all viral diseases that cause a wide range of symptoms and are highly transmissible. The symptoms derived from these viruses are pretty broad, so I'll just provide a link with specifics about them:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/mmr.html
Mandatory: required by law or rules; compulsory.

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Criterion
Pro
Tie
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Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Sorry for being the last minute. This has been one of my lower priority debates - that suddenly became high priority! I’ve ready it about 28 times individually over the last month lol!

So starting off, pro does a good job of framing the issue as public good vs individual rights.

Pro also sets up a number of interesting examples of different cases where liberty vs public good, has come out on the side of the latter.

That’s sets up the debate well for me, giving me a clear idea of what this issue is about, and how to weigh it.

What pro goes on to do is an excellent explanation of why vaccination protects the public health - specifically by describing why someone being vaccinated or not has an impact on other people - specifically the concept of herd immunity.

The impact to other people is also quantified with the health risks of the diseases.

I don’t believe con challenges the facts of infection in this debate that I can see: so I will take these as uncontested until I read more.

Given this, pro gives me enough to show that the harm inflicted by not being vaccinated clearly overrides the impact from personal choice.

So, on to cons counter argument:

Con main approach appears to be to argue that just imposing a mandate doesn’t increase the amount of vaccinations.

It appears con implicitly concedes that more vaccines are good, and primarily just attempts to argue that it can’t be shown that a mandate will be effective.

Con cites a number examples to support his position where a mandate was ineffective, and a lack of a mandate was effective.

Pros counter was not only to pick apart the examples: and show things were not as pro claimed - including Slovenia - which pro showed actually did have higher vaccination rates.

Pros main thrust for effectiveness was related to the tax strategy to enforce the mandate, which in my view pro appeared to explain exceptionally well.

A large portion of cons counter was related to compulsory vaccination not being the same as mandated vaccination - I feel it’s up to con to show how the results of one are inapplicable due to the substance of the differences given that pro points out that while there are differences - these are mostly as one extends the other. Given the tax argument though, I don’t really feel this argument holds much sway any more.

The main points I took here are that it’s essentially agreed that having more vaccinations is a benefit, and the taxation argument from pro was sufficient in my view to reasonably conclude it will induce additional uptake. This was well summarized in round 4 by pro.

I felt that cons argument relating to the mandatory vs compulsory was appeared to be somewhat splitting hairs - and it wasn’t entirely clear what I was intended to take away from it as a voter: the two are not the same but one is mostly an extension: given that pros mostly established via the taxation argument that his policy will lead to more vaccinations, its not entirely clear to me the point of this.

If pro wanted to point out a key difference to show the difference would cause a unique and substantial harm, or that a benefit of one would not apply I could analyze this, but to be honest - this whole line mostly felt like a side track whose relevance wasn’t wholly clear to me.

In terms of backlash - I side with pro that con has to provide a demonstrable reason why a substantial backlash would occur - and more specifically describe what the harm of that backlash would be. I agree with pros treatise in the 3rd round that con provides mostly speculative arguments as to why it would be rejected, the legal aspect of it, in my view, would be covered by pros fiat - the same goes for whether states will enforce them.

Cons example of Italy was well batted away with pro showing vaccination went up - despite being popular.

I would agree with pro here that con hasn’t shown substantial harm from a backlash - and hasn’t indicated the level and severity of a backlash and why it’s possible. As a result, I can’t accept this argument from con.

In terms of counter plans - better enforcement, I feel pro did better by arguing that his plan is still better given examples of where there is stricter enforcement of laws in California.

In terms of public awAreness - I side with pro here again that pro doesn’t offer details of how this counter plan could realistically be expected to be better than pros example. The lack of details here mean that I can’t assess the plan.

Sure, it’s a possibility that this could be the case - but it would depend on the details.

So given this, I felt that while con took the right road - he did not do enough to mitigate the benefits of pros plan.

I feel con could have done better trying to argue the benefit would be marginal vs the loss of liberty, or focusing solely on some specific counter plan. I would also like to encourage everyone to make use of bold headings!

Winner: pro.

Criterion
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Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

https://www.debateart.com/debates/545/comment_links/6772
https://www.debateart.com/debates/545/comment_links/6776

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wQ7Un2tr9274_nXEUXvtDru6QxpAAuYXgS4_r479tAE/edit?usp=sharing

Good debate folks. If there are any questions, I am a PM away.