Instigator / Pro
3
1266
rating
119
debates
15.97%
won
Topic

Classical Liberals (Conservatives) and Liberals have the same ideology, it's just that one is a bit more "classical" and the other a bit more "liberal"

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
0
3
Sources points
2
2
Spelling and grammar points
1
1
Conduct points
0
1

With 1 vote and 4 points ahead, the winner is ...

Alec
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Publication date
Last update date
Category
Politics
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
One week
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
30,000
Contender / Con
7
1596
rating
42
debates
63.1%
won
Description
~ 0 / 5,000

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Added:
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better spelling and grammar
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Not a great debate.

Con highlights a series of deviations between classical liberals (conservatives) and liberals: these include gun control, environment and religious freedom.

Pros response was to concede some of the differences exist, but they don’t matter: or to try and argue that the “liberals” are not acting liberal, or “classical liberals” are not acting classically liberal.

As con and pro both agreed on instances where there are deviations, it is incumbent on pro to show how those differences are merely one side being “a bit more liberal”, or “a bit more classical”. Pro doesn’t do this to any degree, and doesn’t appear to attempt to link his counter arguments to this rebuttal. He argues mostly that liberals are less liberal, classical liberals are the liberal side - and barely touches upon any of the contentions he needs to support.

As a result, while Alec did a poor job of dismantling this - he did enough to prove his burden, and pro was not able to match it.

Arguments to con.

Conduct:

Pro:

“I am so fucking sick of the intellectual dishonesty and silly word games”
“your stupid assertion doesn't even make any sense from a purely grammatical standpoint.”
“See how much of a dick you're being?”

Pro was excessively rude and profane throughout, Con was not.

Conduct to con