Socialism is a range of
economic and
social systems characterised by
social ownership of the
means of production and
workers' self-management,
[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.
[11] Social ownership can be
public,
collective or
cooperative ownership, or
citizen ownership of equity.
[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,
[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.
[5][14][15]Socialist systems are divided into non-market and
market forms.
[16] Non-market socialism involves the substitution of
factor markets and
money with engineering and technical criteria based on
calculation performed in-kind, thereby producing an economic mechanism that functions according to different
economic laws from those of
capitalism. Non-market socialism aims to circumvent the inefficiencies and
crises traditionally associated with
capital accumulation and the profit system.
[25] By contrast,
market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets and in some cases the
profit motive, with respect to the operation of socially owned enterprises and the allocation of capital goods between them. Profits generated by these firms would be controlled directly by the workforce of each firm, or accrue to society at large in the form of a
social dividend.
[26][27][28] The
socialist calculation debate concerns the feasibility and methods of resource allocation for a socialist system.
Socialist politics has been both internationalist and nationalist in orientation; organised through political parties and opposed to party politics; at times overlapping with trade unions, and at other times independent and critical of unions; and present in both industrialised and developing nations.
[29] Originating within the socialist movement,
social democracy has embraced a
mixed economy with a market that includes substantial state intervention in the form of
income redistribution,
regulation, and a
welfare state.
Economic democracy proposes a sort of market socialism where there is more decentralized control of companies, currencies, investments, and natural resources.
The socialist
political movement includes a set of political philosophies that originated in the revolutionary movements of the mid-to-late 18th century and out of concern for the social problems that were associated with capitalism.
[13] By the late 19th century, after the work of
Karl Marx and his collaborator
Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a
post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.
[30][31] By the 1920s,
social democracy and
communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.
[32]By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"
[33] and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally
socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the
Soviet economic model, some economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of
state capitalism[34][35][36] or a non-planned administrative or
command economy.
[37][38] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as
environmentalism,
feminism and
progressivism.
[39] In 21st century
America, the term
socialism, without clear definition, has become a pejorative used by
conservatives to taint
liberal and
progressive policies, proposals, and public figures.
[40]
Vote Reported: Wrick-it-Ralph // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 2 points to pro for sources and 1 point for conduct
RFD:
I found that neither side presented sufficient evidence. Pro was basically playing a zero sum game that gave a tie in this section at best. Con did not take the proper steps to show that there was an understanding of the term in question "socialism". Con simply quoted a definition several times verbatim. This does not show an understand. Con would have simply had to provide a few basic examples of the word socialism in a sentence and this debate would have been an easy vote for me.
Pro provided relevant sources and Con provided zero sources.
Reason for mod action:
(1) In order to award a source point, the voter must:
Explain, on balance, how each debater's sources impact the debate
Directly evaluate at least one source in particular cited in the debate and explain how it either bolstered or weakened the argument it was used to support
Must explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's
(2) The conduct point is sufficient.
The voter fails to do this thus his vote is removed.
@Type1
**** Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms. ***
I don't need to explain WHAT ABOUT collective ownership of the means production leads to government control. Honestly, I don't know what it is about socialism that leads to government control. Can socialism lead to other types of control besides government control? Sure. I'm not saying it doesn't. What I said typically, how does "community control" manifest itself? The government controlling it.
I'm curious.....what are some other means, besides government control, would/does a socialist advocate for the society to control the means of production? In what other ways could a society control the means of production?
I apologize for missing this round but your argument required no rebuttal anyway. You should attempt to clarify what about collective ownership of the means of production necessarily leads to government control in this round.
As of right now, you have a little more then an hour left to post your argument.
You're liberal and no offense but your all alone.
How do you figure?
Your best represented by Hawaii.
None of the US states represent me in any way.
You outrank Bsh 1 in terms of this site alone and California has more people then New York, therefore is more prominent of a state. My system combines ideology with rank on this site although exceptions exist.
Wrong. Bsh1 is Cali, I am NY. If you get to know our politics, you'll see that this is severely true.
Actually I am Nevada more so than NY culturally but in terms of overall politics, I am more NY than many particular laws in Nevada.
I'd say I am NY>Nevada>Cali>NJ>Colorado
The rest are too unlike me to even count.
I saved NY to represent Bsh1.
Yeah, I consider myself more a NY than Cali but second place for sure.
I think I am a Texas too. RM is California, since he thinks he liberal like California. He also thinks he is better then all of us, and California (stereotypically) thinks they are too good for the US.
Thanks! I was talking about you though. I don't think population is the same as greatness. I am guessing that you are Texas, since you asked.
But Kentucky isn't a prominent state and Florida is. Your #2, soon to be #3 on this site. You should be represented by a more populous state.
Kentucky. I say this mostly because of Rand Paul being a senator from there.
You could, but then I would have suffered the harm of stereotype as well as the harm of being thought of as Wyoming-like. I’d rather have a Colorado-off with the poseur in my way. I’ll take Virginia in the interrem. ( Yes, this is also humor, Alec)
Colorado is taken. I could use Wyoming for you.
Your Florida. In elections, your a prominent state and your a political moderate, just like Florida. Guess what state I used to represent me?
A. I’ll take Colorado because I am that square.
B. What does right-winger even mean these days? Are these labels clearly defining a certain set of values that everybody generally agrees. I’m not so sure right-wing or left-wing mean much specific or certain in the Age of Trump.
Perhaps, what state would I be? I think that I am in a state of perpetual confusion, but that's just me.
Do you think I should make a forum post that compares DART users to states in the US?
Funny.
I guess you could say that you were being... a smart-Aleck.
I know Alec- I was just being a smart ass
I was saying that I don't have enough time to debate this. I thought Type1 wanted me to accept this debate.
Lmfao.
Is that “ you don’t know what Socialism is” ( spring breakers only) or “ you don’t know what Spring Break is” ( right wingers only)?
Make this debate spring break and I might accept. I think I'm too busy to accept debates.