Instigator / Pro
17
1402
rating
44
debates
40.91%
won
Topic
#674

Rapp Battle

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
3
Better sources
2
4
Better legibility
3
2
Better conduct
3
1

After 3 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

Wrick-It-Ralph
Tags
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
20,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
10
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

Voting System.

Argument = Your opinion, no explanation required.
Sources = Puns, Metaphors, General Wordplay. Cite one word play to justify.
Grammar = Rhymes per word on average. no explanation required.
Conduct = Disses, Self Compliments, Anything that raises or diminishes one's "rep" (reputation for the normies.) Must cite one source.to justify.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Arguments.

Just to be clear here for everyone:

I am looking for funny insults. I will always prefer imaginative disses that make me laugh over calling someone a cuck. Forced rhymes that do not appear to have a valid context will lower your chances of winning, as will examples of rhyming fizzles which feel too forced and not close enough. Flow is okay, but I’m going through your rap in my head, so most of the time the rap flow is simply how easy it is for me to pick up, and will never beat out insults.

Overall: Pro was much more simplistic until round 2. Cons issue is that while he has the flow and the more complex structure, he strikes out and fizzles a number of rhymes, with a substantial number just feeling so forced they harm his rap.

Words like implore and abhor - in my opinion - just feel like trying to complete the rhyme, whilst feeling shitty and out of place.

Saying it that, while I prefer pros rap by far, it was fractionally more simplistic, and while it didn’t fizzle as often there were still bad points - I don’t feel pro deserves to win by six points in total - the disses and word play were better - but the rest of it was fairly balanced.

Sources/Conduct: this is disses and word play. To be honest - I treat these as part of the same category. If a diss doesn’t rhyme, it’s terrible, and the ability to use word play to form disses are strongly linked as part of the battle itself, so I’m going to deal with them together.

Pros disssa was more relevant here throughout, he’s witty - with context and made me chuckle a couple of times with the following lines:

“You're a Solipsist, So you can't even argue with yourself.”
“Imma do this Hitchens style and crush you bottom to Top. 
“I'm like gravity bitch, there ain't a beet I can't Drop.”
“You make appeal to tradition fallacies, Just a shallow deflection. 
You might deny that you like my flow, but you can't hide your erection. “
“Your raps are too drawn out, learn to write more succinctly
You're writing for you instead of sending a message distinctly”

The interplay with the disses and context, using debate phrases and terms together in the rap battle was much better than cons.

While RM launched some disses, they all felt middle of the road, forced or lacking in context. The closest it felt Rm got was “You “R” a “Peepee” and you smell of shit, look at the title of this; learn to spell a bit,” it felt like he missed a major opportunity to land a blow.

Grammar: so WIR starts of with just a shade more than 1 rhyme per line - Rational has higher - at around 2 and 3, but I discounted fizzle failures like “predator” and evil/devil/rebel. WIR ramped it up in R2 to 2 rhymes per line, and in RMs final round, his rhymes per line drop to 1. The important part of this is that RMs lines are generally much longer. Without counting words and rhymes (I started in round 1 counting 19 - then stopped due to time - I’m not counting them any more), the fizzles, the longer lines and the good R2 vs bad R3 gives me the impression that WIR landed more rhymes per word, but it wasn’t obviously titled extremely to one way or another.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Ha! I had no idea Ralph could rap. This was pretty good.

Con: I like the integration of music and the informal use of oblique rhymes. The thing is that your jokes seem to rely on a lot of references that need to be explained. This, coupled with your unstructured freestyle beat, makes it harder to "sing the words" in my head because I keep having to pause mid-beat to reread stuff and catch references. Regardless, it feels like your raps aren't being expressed properly on a text medium, you could always try rapping out loud and submitting via youtube.

Pro: Went for a much more simplistic style of rap. Just four stanzas with two rhymes each - basically the English 101 version of any poem. This simple structure made it easy to follow the rhythm in my head. Clear use of spacing told me where to pause. Ralph stuck with full rhymes; while this comes across a bit forced it also makes it easier to keep a melody in my head.

Pro won the debate in my mind with this:
"Your raps are too drawn out, learn to write more succinctly
You're writing for you instead of sending a message distinctly
This ain't your mixtape, it's a battle you better get it in sync G. "

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Sources:

Ooh look at the noob, typing crowd-reactions in his fantasy,
This Gung Ho Dumbo (elephant avatar) debating proud with the fallacies,
Like he's a new age boy up against Adam, see I gobbled on that apple tree;

Conduct:

I'll break you cannot overcome my hurdles without a Hip or a Hop. (Person with injured leg and hip pun. Allegory for my Opponent.)
I'll break you down so completely, they'll clean you up with a Mop.