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Topic

#682

Seven Lions Is Better Than Illenium

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Speedrace

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Publication date: 04.04.2019 03:08AM
Last updated date: 04.15.2019 01:14PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

Alanwang123

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I will waive the first round, and you will waive the last round.

Round 1

Speedrace

04.04.2019 03:12PM

Pro

I am waiving this round, per the rules.

Alanwang123

04.06.2019 03:12PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

Speedrace

04.07.2019 12:25AM

Pro

Waiving.

Alanwang123

04.07.2019 05:11AM

Con

Hello,

I think I'll keep my argument quite short today.

I think Illenium is better than Seven Lions because it's music has more chill and stacked supersawwy vibes. Illenium has also been cranking out more innovative stuff recently.

Round 3

Speedrace

04.07.2019 05:38AM

Pro

Chill is the opposite of what dubstep and EDM, in general, should be. Illenium is essentially pop music with an EDM beat. Seven Lions is pure EDM through and through. Just listen to any of his songs, such as Start Again or Higher Love. Both of these songs are completely beat-oriented, even though they have lyrics. Illenium's songs, such as Beautiful Creatures or Take You Down, rely heavily on lyrics, which take away from the main purpose for which they were made. Also, Seven Lions' music has a lot of diversity. From Start Again to First Time to Dreamin' to The Truth, he really has quite the repertoire. Ilenium's music is stuck sounding the same. That is why Seven Lions is better than Illenium.

Alanwang123

04.07.2019 07:00AM

Con

Well, Illenium has more variety in its music, in my opinion. Also, music might not necessarily be made for the music alone. There is no law that music should be made for music. Isn't lyrics part of music? Lyrics and singing is also music and music should not only mean the beats in a song. Music is a very general term and debating about music has many factors to it. Therefore, we shouldn't be listening for the beats alone. And as you said, Seven Lions is EDM through and through, which makes it boringly plain and without much variety.

Round 4

Speedrace

04.07.2019 05:30PM

Pro

I'm saying that Seven Lions and Illenium, as EDM artists, should fit that genre because that is what I go to them looking for. Illenium tends to stray, which isn't bad, but that is misleading to his listeners. Seven Lions, while staying diverse, still meets the type of music that his listeners are looking for. EDM is all about beats. Seven Lions has plenty of songs with lyrics, and they're great, but they focus on the beat over the lyrics, while Illenium focuses on the lyrics over the beat. Because the beat is the need that must be met by these artists, Seven Lions accomplishes that goal much better, and so he, therefore, is better than Illenium. I'm not trying to say that Illenium is a bad artist (because he makes great music), but within the confines of EDM and specifically dubstep/house, Seven Lions is a better artist. Plus, his music goes all sorts of places (Start Again, Dreamin', Higher Love), while Illenium's music/remixes tend to have the same type of sound (Take You Down, Beautiful Creatures),

Alanwang123

04.08.2019 01:14PM

Con

Waiving.

bsh1

04.14.2019 11:27PM

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@Melcharaz

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>Reported Vote: Melcharaz // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 1 point to Pro for S/G

>Reason for Decision: what is supersawwy? didn't find it in dictionary, i assume he meant supersavvy. Anyways, i don't care for either band so im leaving tie.

>Reason for Mod Action: In order to award S/G points, the voter must (1) give specific examples of S/G errors, (2) explain how these errors were excessive, and (3) compare each debater's S/G. The voter only does the first of these, and makes no attempt to complete the other two necessary steps.
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Speedrace

04.11.2019 01:06AM

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Why u no vote

Ramshutu

04.12.2019 12:09PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Conduct to pro for the forfeit.

Arguments. While both sides gave me reasons why one is better, neither side really gave me any framework to determine who was right. It’s a common problem - but essentially part of the argument should be what constitutes being better, and why.

My issue here, as a result, is that both sides gave reasons as to why one was better than the other: but any attempt to weigh this would be completely arbitrary without a framework - especially considering the arguments being made where themselves subjective (such as being chilled - or that best is more completely matching the genre).