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Topic
#701

Reading The Old Testament Cover to Cover is The Fastest Way to Become an Atheist.

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 3 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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Full BoP for me.

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@TheRealNihilist

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>Reported Vote: omar2345 // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 3 points to Con for arguments

>Reason for Decision: "The fastest way to become an atheist is to be born to atheist parents who force it upon you from a young age."
I don't think I need to say any-more.

>Reason for Mod Action: Unfortunately, the voter does need to say more. The voter fails to sufficiently justify the argument points they award. To award argument points, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision. The voter completes none of these steps, when, in fact, they needed to complete each of them. The voter can cast a sufficient vote by completing each of these three steps.
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@Ramshutu

Thanks for the input and subsequent vote.

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

I don't know a single atheist who has read the entire OT. The fastest way for someone who was never born an atheist is just to read select bible verses that show what the bible is.

actually, the fastest way for a person to be an atheist is for God to not reveal to them the knowledge of himself. Which could be at any point in life. But it takes only a moment for that will or knowledge to slip from a persons mind. Or to never be considered in their will.

rational action hits on it slightly, the bible says that we are born "Without knowledge of God" and "There is none that seek God." Therefore just leaving them as is is the quickest way to let them believe there is no God, because it takes a drawling of God to persuade a person there is a God.

However, this is all assumed that atheism is applicable to God of the bible. There are many who believe in other Gods even after first reading the bible or even before knowing how to read.

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

I would say that there is a difference between active disbelief after acquiring knowledge and a lack of beliefs due to a lack of knowledge.
So no, babies aren't atheists, any more than they are Republicans or Democrats.

I find that babies, or at least newborns, don't have any social constructs, especially something like a complex anthropomorphized Supreme Power. If you are familiar with Plato's Theory of Forms, they haven't made any forms for them to judge reality by.

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@K_Michael

It depends on how one defines atheist. If you take the literal "without god belief" meaning, then technically yes. But we can never know for sure. For all we know, ever baby is born a theist and worships their parents. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

Are you considered an atheist at birth? Does a lack of any belief constitute a negative belief? If I was somehow raised without ever being introduced to the concept of (a) Supreme Being(s), would I be considered an atheist?

I find that too many become atheists based on a 15 minute Youtube video.