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Alan Walker Is More Famous Than David Guetta

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RationalMadman
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Round 1
Published:
Hello, RM.
Now, my argument:
Alan Walker is more creative and his music has more diversity than David Guetta's. Guetta's music is more 'plain' and most people don't like him as much as Alan Walker, meaning Walker has more fans and supporters than Guetta. As a fact, more of my friends know Walker than Guetta and I'm sure that is the same case with the public. 
Published:
David Guetta is in a whole fucking different league to Alan Walker.

Nicki Minaj wouldn't be seen dead collabing with Alan Walker, unless he MASSIVELY ups his game socially and shit, the guy's what? 21? His peak of his career so far is making music for online games. Just 8 mins ago or so, he is posting PUGB hasthag ads, the guy is bought out, sold and whipped by not even a label but a brand that has nothing to do with music or passion for it.


He isn't famous, a game made him more famous.

David Guetta is a millionaire on levels you can't even fathom, he is like top 0.2% of famous artists in the EDM industry of this millienial era, seriously you tell me your friends think he's dull? Guess what, how do all your friends know about him? Even haters know about him; he's that indisputably famous.

Sia, Nicki Minaj, Kid Cudi, Bebe Rexha, Rihanna, Vassy and more, he's one of the most sought after collab artists in the Trance music industry and EDM overall subgenre.

He releases this in Nov 2018 and has 400M+ views 


He has been around longer, I'll give you that, he's an OG to the Trance industry and not somebody to disrespect or fuck with if you want to make it int hat industry. He is not just famous, he is widely appreciated because while most can find a song of his they find 'meh', no one can find one they hate. That's his secret power.


no problem, no flex, and alan walker what? Sure, he is capable now of 'fame' in a massive burst thanks to PUBG owning him for a year at least but you compare that to Guetta? Guetta's got 1B views on his YT vids and much much more on his spotify songs.


Hoopla you are disrespecting the wrong dude! Put down your sword, and Alan Walk your ass out in shame.

40 big (MASSIVE) hits of Guetta:



Round 2
Forfeited
Published:
Call on the madman, get the dish served cold.

Round 3
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#1
#8
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro ff 2 out of 3 rounds, that's poor conduct
#7
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Forefeit is bad conduct. RM gets points for presenting better args too
#6
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Both parties forfeited
#5
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeit
#4
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Well, if you are going to claim one person I've never heard of is more famous than some other person I've never heard of, I 'm going to need some statistics, obviously. I have no idea how relatively persuasive Con's statistics should be weighed but Con did have some numbers, links, and a passionate response. Arguments to Con, another point for forfeits.
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro argued that Walker is more famous than Guetta because his music is plain and "most people don't like him as much as Alan Walker". The sole source of this information is an appeal to Pro's friends and Pro's confidence that "that is the same with the public". An unconvincing argument that is supported by nothing but a personal anecdote. Con rebuts this by naming some of the diverse and famous artists that Guetta has worked with "Sia, Nicki Minaj, Kid Cudi, Bebe Rexha, Rihanna, Vassy and more" and further points to some of the videos of Guetta with insane view counts and Con's sources actually showed that Guetta has over 11B views on YT, Con could have pointed out at this point that Walker only has around 6B. Con wins nonetheless as his arguments are based on verifiable evidence and objective facts (view counts of videos and diversity of collaborations), whereas Pro's arguments are based on subjective opinions (e.g. "Guetta's music is more plain") and Pro's sole supporting evidence is an unfalsifiable personal anecdote (reference to his friends that prefer Walker/haven't heard of Guetta). Therefore, arguments to the Madman.
Pro ff'd 2 out of 3 rounds, ergo conduct also goes to the Madman.
I would have awarded sources as well due to the sources that Con presented that support his case well (e.g. the view counts) compared to the reference to personal anecdotes of Pro. However, Con made some unsubstantiated claims "Nicki Minaj wouldn't be seen dead collabing with Alan Walker", "Sure, he is capable now of 'fame' in a massive burst thanks to PUBG owning him for a year at least ". Therefore, sources even.
No S&G issues, everything was comprehensible = even.
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full Forfeit
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
The instigator forfeited which lead to the contender not being able to add anything new due to lack of rebuttals. The fault lies on the instigator.
The instigator's points were Alan Walker is more creative but did not say how this is that case. The instigator also said Alan has more fans since David since David has fan that don't like him. Never said how or by what measurement this is the case. The instigators leaves us with personal experience used as a gross generalisation of every single person person who is a fan of David or Allan.
The contender stated David is more popular due to how many views he gets and people know him. The views argument is supported by evidence that states he has 400 million views for a video. This alone trumps any point the instigator since the contender's claim is supported by evidence. He also used another links which states David 905 million views on a video. The claim is now supported by two videos where the instigator failed to mention a single one.
Due to this the contender wins the most convincing argument because he was the only one to provide evidence for his claims.