Instigator / Pro
9
1403
rating
16
debates
21.88%
won
Topic
#715

The F-22 Is Better Than The F-35

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
3
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
0
2

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
11
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

original topic. I would like to see this re-framed as a genuine, current policy debate.

Both debaters offered minimal effort. Pro opened with irrelevant opinion and a sloppy comparison that offered no insight. Con correctly called the sloppiness but nearly lost me by arguing "better at crashing." I understand Con is K'ing a subjective thesis but Con is also profoundly undermining an already scanty case.

Ultimately, Pro loses arg because Pro failed to offer substantial offense which seems to have given Con an excuse to phone in the defense. Links to other people's arguments are seldom persuasive to this voter.

Conduct to Con for Pro's triple forfeit.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduct to con as pro forfeited most rounds.

A large number of subjective and arbitrary reasons for why one machine is better than the other. The resolution is comparative, so any examples where there is a clear comparative ground to say one is better than the other is what will score this one for me.

Con doesn’t provide much in the way of objective comparison between the two that doesn’t fall down on more than subjective grounds - one is old news, or not relevant is not a great reason to vote for con. While con did spend time indicating there is some differences in their roles, there is no reasonable objective data upon which to vote that the F35 is better and thus vote for con.

Pros main argument, and only example of a compelling objective difference is that the F22 our performs the F35. This appears to be both relevant to the topic, and obviously an intuitive reason to conclude the F22 is better than the F35. On those grounds: arguments to pro.