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prescription medication is poison

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Round 1
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i world like to thank con for taking this challenge.

the word pharmakeai means

  1. the use or the administering of drugs
  2. poisoning
  3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
  4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry



the word pharmakon means

from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation





pharmakeai was originally in the bible but it was translated to sorcery in later versions in the bible

pharmakeai was used in this quote

Parallel Verses
And  the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the   voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all   in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy   sorceries were all nations deceived.

https://www.stillsmallvoicetriage.org/healing/is-taking-prescription-medicines-the-same-as-witchcraft-pharmakeia/
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/



most   if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and   these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood   yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the   case that the side effects are poison
the   prescription dug Prozac which treats depression causes yellow skin and   eyes' thoughts of suicide 'and 120+ different thing. this drug helps   with depression. it is an anti depressant. but this is the most  hypercritical thing on the planet one of the side effects of taking  this prozac is depression. prozac is an anti depression. so it is sold  to people because it helps with depression then one of the side effect  of taking the pill is depression. so does it help with depression or   does it cause depression. these are not small side effect either here  is a small list blindness' blue-yellow color blindness' 'purple or red  spots on the skin' cool pale skin' yellow skin and eyes' thoughts of  suicide' 'trouble with breathing' etc


why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.
. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.



  1. Hives, itching, or skin rash

  2. inability to sit still

  3. restlessness

  1. Chills or fever

  2. joint or muscle pain




  1. Anxiety

  2. cold sweats

  3. confusion

  4. convulsions (seizures)

  5. cool pale skin

  6. diarrhea

  7. difficulty with concentration

  8. drowsiness

  9. dryness of the mouth

  10. excessive hunger

  11. fast or irregular heartbeat

  12. headache

  13. increased sweating

  14. increased thirst

  15. lack of energy

  16. mood or behavior changes

  17. overactive reflexes

  18. purple or red spots on the skin

  19. racing heartbeat

  20. shakiness or unsteady walk

  21. shivering or shaking

  22. talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity you cannot control

  23. trouble with breathing

  24. unusual or incomplete body or facial movements

  25. unusual tiredness or weakness



  1. Abdominal or stomach pain

  2. agitation

  3. back or leg pains

  4. bleeding gums

  5. blindness

  6. blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin

  7. bloating

  8. blood in the urine or stools

  9. bloody, black or tarry stools

  10. blue-yellow color blindness

  11. blurred vision

  12. chest pain or discomfort

  13. clay-colored stools

  14. constipation

  15. continuing vomiting

  16. cough or dry cough

  17. dark urine

  18. decreased urine output

  19. decreased vision

  20. depression

  21. difficulty with breathing

  22. difficulty with swallowing

  23. dizziness or lightheadedness

  24. eye pain

  25. fainting

  26. fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse

  27. general body swelling

  28. high fever

  29. hives, itching, puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue

  30. hostility

  31. indigestion

  32. irregular or slow heart rate

  33. irritability

  34. large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs

  35. light-colored stools

  36. loss of appetite

  37. loss of bladder control

  38. muscle twitching

  39. nausea

  40. nightmares

  41. no blood pressure or pulse

  42. noisy breathing

  43. nosebleeds

  44. pain in the ankles or knees

  45. painful, red lumps under the skin, mostly on the legs

  46. pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back

  47. pinpoint red spots on the skin

  48. rapid weight gain

  49. red or irritated eyes

  50. red skin lesions, often with a purple center

  51. redness, tenderness, itching, burning, or peeling of the skin

  52. severe muscle stiffness

  53. severe sleepiness

  54. slurred speech

  55. sore throat

  56. sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth

  57. stopping of heart

  58. sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing

  59. sudden weakness in the arms or legs

  60. sudden, severe chest pain

  61. swelling of the face, ankles, or hands

  62. swollen or painful glands

  63. thoughts of killing oneself

  64. tightness in the chest

  65. tiredness

  66. twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs

  67. unconsciousness

  68. unpleasant breath odor

  69. unusual bleeding or bruising

  70. unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness

  71. unusually pale skin

  72. use of extreme physical or emotional force

  73. vomiting of blood

  74. yellow eyes or skin


  1. Decreased appetite



  1. Abnormal dreams

  2. breast enlargement or pain

  3. change in sense of taste

  4. changes in vision

  5. feeling of warmth or heat

  6. flushing or redness of the skin, especially on face and neck

  7. frequent urination

  8. hair loss

  9. increased appetite

  10. increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight

  11. menstrual pain

  12. stomach cramps, gas, or pain

  13. unusual secretion of milk, in females

  14. weight loss

  15. yawning



  1. Cracks in the skin

  2. loss of heat from the body

  3. painful or prolonged erections of the penis

  4. scaly skin

  5. swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males

  6. unusual milk production





opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30

as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects


ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life



prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death each year


is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death


in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds

and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs


the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick




here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications  farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of  the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if  you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and  hands amputated or  flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.
i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that

farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebo
farxiga proven snake oil

Published:
Definitions

Poison: “a substance that causes illness or death if swallowed, absorbed, or breathed into the body.”

Prescription drug: “a drug that can be obtained only by means of a physician's prescription”

Medication: “(a) Any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings; or

(b) Any substance or combination of substances which may be used in or administered to human beings either with a view to restoring, correcting or modifying physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological, immunological or metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis."

Summation of Pro’s argument(s)

- He beings by describing the etymology of the term ‘pharmakeai,’ stating it was also revised later to ‘sorcery.’ He provides several biblical examples of this, accurate or not I’m not qualified to dispute such a claim.

- He also states all prescription medication has “tons of side effects per pill,” and subsequently provides several examples with extensive lists of their side effects.

- He states “almost 1 million children have potentially been misdiagnosed with ADHD.”

- He states that is not a coincidence pharmaceutical was “created off of the Greek pharma words” which means poisoning with drugs.

- He states over 100,000 yearly die in the US from taking drugs.

- He states that pharma started the opioid epidemic.
Tell me if I am mischaracterizing anything above, I believe this is a comprehensive and rational summary of your points.

Opening Arguments

I will focus my opening round on arguments for my case, rather than refuting Pro’s.

- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm and maintain homeostasis.

- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than good.

- Medicine helps those that take it properly.

- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual, immediate environment, and society as a whole.

Sources

(definitions)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/poison
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prescription%20drug
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32004L0027:EN:HTML - Article 1



Round 2
Published:
firstly i would like to reclassify big pharm for what it is a drug cartel


they distribute drugs that kill people

prescription medication is the 4th leading cause of death in usa






people life are ruined through addiction with medication. just like crack cocaine



prescription medication is more dangerous than street drugs





prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs





cons talking points

1I will focus my opening round on arguments for my case, rather than refuting Pro’s.

2- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm and maintain homeostasis.

3- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than good.

4- Medicine helps those that take it properly.

5- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual, immediate environment, and society as a whole.

REButtal


con said
2- Physicians and doctors prescribe medicine to absolve harm and maintain homeostasis.


REBUTTAL
doctors are easily bribed. the medicine they prescribe is based upon the free lunch that big pharma brings in to bribe them
article says

The doctors in the study had received some sort of benefit, nearly all meals, worth $20 or less in which the four drugs were discussed. Doctors frequently attend educational sessions at medical meetings or get briefings over meals from drug representatives.
Those who got four or more meals relating to the four drugs prescribed Crestor nearly twice as often as doctors who didn’t get the free meal


doctor prescribe medication depending on who bought them lunch not what disease the person has



the drugs doctors prescribe\ depend on which drug company is sponsoring them.



con says

4- Medicine helps those that take it properly.

REBUTTAl

what about those people with ticks

they take there medicine properly they are considered saved by medicine. ticks happen to people who take lots of prescription medication.

what about all those good stay away from drug people who took prescription drugs and became drug attics

not a real example

this is just me generalizing not real case. soccer mom' mother of 7 'she a pta mom'. goes to church never did drugs in her life. her doctor prescribes the drug Vicodin. she becomes addicted she is now no better than someone who takes cocain. her life get ruined.

though im sure this is true in some cases the would have to have them work a little bit just enough to not get caught . i have not yet seen it. for example one of the substitute teachers at my school takes some drugs because he was told he needed them. and he shakes uncontrollably. kids make fun of him.

plus there has been the farxiga issue were people who take farxiga and or jardiance suffered from flesh eating of the genitals and or had there limbs amputated.

but then they were more study's done on the drug and the drug worked jut as good a a placebo




con said


3- Drugs, as prescribed, have done vastly more harm than good.


i agree


5- Not taking prescribed medication harms the individual, immediate environment, and society as a whole.


i would like to point out the reason they lash out is because. the one giving them medicine is probably  playing the im not crazy game with them. and i would not say that it harms the individual do people who stop taking there med die.


millions forget to take there meds. do you hear any cases of people suddenly die just because they missed a day of taking there meds


people who stop taking there medicine do so usually on 3 reasons.

its harming them.

and the practitioner is playing the I'm not crazy game with them.

or its to expensive.


millions of adults do not take there medicine because its to expensive.


do they suddenly die

are they dangerous






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Round 3
Published:
fluoride in water

Nazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to  make them more stupid and docile during ww2.


conspiracy theorist then started  claiming our us government is doing the same to us.

this was proven true when the  us government admitted they put  fluoride in our water. but claim they put it in there to help with dental  hygiene.




pharmaceutical drugs in water

why do i bring this up. in tap water they are putting pharmaceutical drugs in our water


3 antibiotics were found in our water

    Chlortetracycline
    Chloramphenicol
    Erythromycin


the side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the water


antibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.



that is not all they also put these pharmaceutical drugs in the water

    Atenolol (a beta-blocker)
    Carbamazepine (an anticonvulsant)
    Gemfibrozil (an antilipidemic)
    Meprobamate (an antianxiety medication)
    Phenytoin (an anticonvulsant


for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol

this drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising

side effects of atenolol.

    Blurred vision
    cold hands or feet
    confusion
    difficult or labored breathing
    dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
    shortness of breath
    sweating
    tightness in chest
    unusual tiredness or weakness
    wheezing


    Anxiety
    chest pain or discomfort
    chills
    cold sweats
    cough
    dizziness or lightheadedness
    fainting
    fast heartbeat
    leg pain
    noisy breathing
    slow or irregular heartbeat
    sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing

    Bloody urine
    decreased frequency or amount of urine
    increased blood pressure
    increased thirst
    loss of appetite
    lower back or side pain
    nausea
    swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
    vomiting
    weight gain


    Black, tarry stools
    bleeding gums
    blood in urine or stools
    blurred or loss of vision
    bone or joint pain
    disturbed color perception
    double vision
    feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
    feeling that others can hear your thoughts
    feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
    fever
    halos around lights
    night blindness
    overbright appearance of lights
    paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
    pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
    severe mood or mental changes
    skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
    skin rash, hives, or itching
    sore throat
    swollen or painful glands
    tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
    tunnel vision
    unusual behavior
    unusual bleeding or bruising


    Anxiety
    coma
    cool, pale skin
    depression
    dilated neck veins
    extreme fatigue
    headache
    increased hunger
    irregular breathing
    nervousness
    nightmares
    seizures
    shakiness
    slurred speech
    unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness




what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the waterwater

lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.


our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.

what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects

    feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
    feeling that others can hear your thoughts
    feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there

because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water




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Round 4
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As much as it pains me to do it, I may as well waive the final round since he can't respond to a rebuttal.

I forfeit this round. 
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Who reported a vote? Lmao, this debate was clearly screwed up by a mistake made by myself.
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my internet died
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#17
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It told me I had 10 hours to submit an argument, not sure I understand why it forfeited this but okay.
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--> @crossed
My computer broke and I forgot my password to this website, I am incredibly sorry and if you would prefer we could remake this debate.
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#15
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--> @K_Michael
Once again, they based it off of the other meaning, "the use or the administering of drugs."
from this we see that is not true
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pharmaceutical
its near the bottom
alright lts assume your right and the reason it effects every part of the body is because of the blood stream
what about antibiotics. there purpose is to kill bacteria. but somehow it ends up causing osteoporosis. aka it screws your spine up and gives you a hunch back.
surly eating a killing bacteria pill should not bend my spine even if the blood brings the drug to that spot of the body.
what if washing my hands and the soap got absorb through my skin and when in my bloodstream and caused the bones in my feat to crack.
killing bacteria in body has nothing to do with bending the spine. even if there the blood vessel bring the drug to the spine it should be useless.
can water bend your spine then why can our blood .
to bend your spine the blood drug would have to put pressure on the spine. and i think it would take more than just bacteria killers to do that they would have to physically add that in.what is the thing that kills bacteria acid
http://www.osteodigest.com/medications-that-cause-osteoporosis.html
the effects of having a babies or being stressed has nothing on pharmakeai
Instigator
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--> @crossed
Many pharmaceuticals do have adverse side effects, but so does having a baby, or being stressed, and those aren't poisons.
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--> @crossed
Once again, they based it off of the other meaning, "the use or the administering of drugs."
See, side effects like that are why I don't support chemical drugs. But they do (generally speaking) help with the symptoms they're supposed to treat.
No chemical only does one thing, especially when it's ingested. It has to go through the entire bloodstream. Prozac isn't put in your brain directly, so it makes sense for it to have some effect elsewhere in the body.
"the effects of Prozac should only be in the head because that's were Prozac goes to treat depression"
Neither the drug nor your bloodstream can control where it goes. It just disseminates in the body. Prozac doesn't "go" anywhere specifically because your bloodstream is an unfiltered system.
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--> @K_Michael
then why did they derive there pharma words from words that mean poisioning with drugs
and read that long list of side effect out loud of prozac
and tell me how something that works inside the brain effects turns the eyes and skin yellow
Prozac effects chemicals in the brain to alleviate depression. so it would make sense for Prozac to have side effects in that part of the body. let say like a headache
the effects of Prozac should only be in the head because that's were Prozac goes to treat depression.but that is not were it goes Prozac effects the entire body it stops your heart causes yellow skin and eyes. so why does screwing with your dopamine receptors in any way cause yellow skin and eyes or stopping of the heart. lets say someone hits me with a base ball bat and my head starts bleeding. but because someone hit me with a baseball bat and my head starts bleeding my bones in my skeletal system turn to jelly. it makes no sense hitting me in the head with a baseball bad should not cause my bones to turn to jelly or bend my spine or cause all calcium to leave my body. screwing wit dopamine receptors should not turn my skin and eyes yellow.
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And yet the same lifespan is estimated in early hunter-gatherers. They had shorter work days than the industrial worker in the 1800s, traveled enough to eliminate fecal waste, etc., as a factor of disease propagation, and had a balanced diet. It is true that they didn't have soap or hygiene, but they still lived to be 30-40. The main trend in periods between whenever humanity started and the late 1800s was a lack of formalized medicinal research, in other words, pharmaceuticals. I disagree with some things pharmaceuticals do, such as using lab-made chemicals rather than natural herbs, etc., but they aren't actively trying to poison us. They are trying to keep humans alive.
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the reason why the average lifespan of humans was 30 through 40 during the 1800s and very early 1900s was not because they had bad medicine. but because they worked themselves to death and there living conditions were terrible. i would make the claim that sanitation had more of as role.
i know that it is stated as fact that medicine played a role in it but i disagree because i do not think that lack of medicine was the cause of people only living to 30. it was more how they lived people
https://www.verywellhealth.com/longevity-throughout-history-2224054
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The only connection is that the Greeks influenced the Romans who influenced Europe. And a word can have multiple meanings. It is quite obvious that pharmaceutical derives from the first meaning you provided, "the use or the administering of drugs." In case you didn't notice, the average lifespan has increased dramatically since the introduction of pharmaceutical drugs, like penicillin.
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pharmakeai pharmakon are greek words which means poisoning with drugs.
we derive the word pharmaceutical from them.
they also use the greek symbols staff of Hermes and Rod of Asclepius which depicts snakes on a stick as there symbol.
they are both Greek thus there must be a connection. i was already aware of its history i debate this topic on other forums.
Tiwaz
don't worry
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"the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick"
This refers to the Rod of Asclepius in Greek mythology. Asclepius was a god associated with healing and medicine.
Furthermore, medical developments in the 20th and 21st century have shown that antivenins can be produced from snake venoms, as well as anticoagulants and other drugs.
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there's just all kinds of ways this could go horribly wrong for either side.
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#7
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Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
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Reason:
Conduct to Pro for less forfeits
#6
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Reason:
Pro's feuding was funnier, falser, and fielded fewer forfeitures.
#5
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Reason:
Forfeit of three out of four rounds. Arguments go to Pro.
Equal sources, as far as I can tell.
Pro often left off proper capitalization and punctuation, as well as adding unnecessary spaces. Grammar to Con
Forfeit appeared to be a result of accidental neglect, not poor conduct. Conduct is tied.
#4
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Reason:
Full forfeit
#3
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Reason:
Apparently this is called FF, so I slam dunk a vote?
#2
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Reason:
Tiwaz ff half of the rounds, this is poor conduct
#1
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Full forfeit