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1495
rating
47
debates
48.94%
won
Topic
#736

In season 8 of Game of Thrones, Euron Greyjoy will probably betray Cercei Lannister

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
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Open
Contender / Con
14
1922
rating
117
debates
97.44%
won
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Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

There are two threads of arguments being made here. One is relating to storytelling precedence (ie satisfaction of the ending), and one relating to character motivations.

In terms of character motivations: I believe that con shows that Euron has burnt his bridges with Daenerys, and is unlikely to be accepted. This eliminates a major source of potential portrayal.

The second source of portrayal both sides discuss, is relating to ceasing the iron throne itself (ie Euron would betray Cersei for his own power). I didn’t see any decent or compelling scenario presented for how this could occur. While I think it’s possible - without a supported or logical scenario where this could happen, I don’t feel this can be accepted - pro needed to given me evidence indicate Euron is motivated by more than he has already indicated (which he didn’t). Con does rather well at highlighting large numbers of reasons why he won’t betray Cersei for daenarys, and by pointing out that Euron is unlikely to have anything to gain by killing Cersei.

From this point of view - I feel the motivation for Euron to betray Cersei aren’t fully elaborated or stated. As such I can’t fully accept them.

From the narrative point of view - pro talks about how such a betrayal is potentially possible, and there is back and forth relating to whether narrative could support the death. I feel that pro does a bit better - that there is no narrative problem with him betraying Cersei. The red wedding, or Ned Stark was a key point here. Con does highlight reasons why this may not be satisfying. For me - all this does is highlight that the narrative doesn’t preclude the issue - rather than indicating probability.

There were a lot of other arguments relating to dragonbinder, the consistuent nature of betrayal - but for me the issue boils down to the probability of Euron a betrayal.

To show this - pro must show that Eurons behaviour, and past actions support or foreshadow him betraying Cersei. Pro comes up short here - with all other arguments being largely irrelevant.

As pro comes short, and con does enough to muddy the water, I can’t say that it’s probable.

Therefore: arguments to con.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Kiss my goddamn ass.