Instigator / Con
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1565
rating
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debates
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Topic
#755

Is Israel a good ally?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
15
3
Better sources
10
8
Better legibility
5
4
Better conduct
5
0

After 5 votes and with 20 points ahead, the winner is...

bmdrocks21
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
15
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

My opponent must argue that Israel is a good ally that deserves our support.

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@Pinkfreud08

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>Reported Vote: Pinkfreud08 // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 3 points to Con for arguments

>Reason for Decision: Pro FF a round in the middle of the debate which entirely brought the debate to a halt which hindered the pace and the conversation.

>Reason for Mod Action: The voter does not meet any of the three criteria for awarding argument points, which are: surveying the main arguments, weighing those arguments, producing a verdict.
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@Melcharaz

Hello! I will hopefully be repeating this debate within the next few days with whiteflame. I will repeat most of the same first round arguments and will provide the links in case you are curious :D

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@RationalMadman

If you feel there are people with multiple accounts report them.
Just because new people come in and have to adjust to voting doesn't mean you should start giving up on debates
Just because your "Debate skills" are challenged, doesn't mean you should curse the website for that reason or the above reasons.

taking a break is a good idea! Debates don't need to be taken personally or cause stress to such a degree. Enjoy your R&R! and come back wiser and stronger.... and humbler, please.

Palestine Liberation Organization
The Palestine Liberation Organization is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians.

Had to google PLO

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@whiteflame

Hello. PM me

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@bmdrocks21

Well, that’s disappointing. I’d be happy to have this debate with you sometime, if you’d like to remake after this finishes.

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@Wrick-It-Ralph

While sanctions are a powerful tool, this will likely never happen either. You have states passing anti-BDS legislation. BDS(Boycott Sanction Divest) is a movement by private companies to do those three things. They often lose state contracts or are punished other ways, so the government is not on board with doing anything anti-Israel at this point in time.

List of states and anti-BDS laws: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation

I always humble my views on foreign affairs because I know that I can't know everything about it so easily. Intuitively, I want to say no to alliances with Israel. Thinking broadly, I would say that at the very least, we should be sanctioning them and putting general pressure for them to act with a certain degree of ethics. I think the problem is that with the idea of "not being aligned with them" being off the table, Israel has no real motivation to meet any standard of behavior. So it's one of those things where we don't necessarily have to diverge from them, but we have to be serious enough that we're willing to do so if they don't meet a certain standard.

That's really the furthest I could ever go on this subject with honesty

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@Alec

I am not a Palestine supporter, I support America. I believe that Israel is a terrible ally, but that no ground can be gained in the Islamic community in terms of an alliance. We made a mistake by continuing involvement in the Middle East after the Cold War, and it would be best for us to stop wasting money on unending conflicts.

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@whiteflame

Oh.

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@Alec

...I didn’t say that. It’s his territory because he’s debating it now.

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@whiteflame

"Not going to get into any specifics because that’s RM’s territory"

Wait, RM is from Palestine?

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@Alec

Quite a bit, actually. Not going to get into any specifics because that’s RM’s territory, but I don’t think there’s any doubt that there’s value in the relationship. The question is whether that value outweighs or is outweighed by the harms of said relationship.

Free Palestine, Israel is a terrorist far-right ethno-state that is guilty of genocide.

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@bmdrocks21

Are you a Palestine supporter?

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@Alec

I am arguing that Israel is a bad ally not worth that money.

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@Alec

In my Round, you'll find out.

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@bmdrocks21

Having Israel as an ally costs $28 billion to the US. What does the US get from this?