Instigator / Con
4
1581
rating
38
debates
64.47%
won
Topic
#781

Lucius Malfoy Is a Better/Truer Upholder of Slytherin Values than Voldemort (As requested by RM)

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
1

After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
7
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

Rules:
Rating contending positions as equal does not constitute a victory on either part.
BoP is shared. Prove that your position is Superior.
Only canonical actions and literature may be provided as evidence. (Includes Pottermore, the movies, and The Cursed Child if you wish.)

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Okay, so first things first: what are slytherin values: con spells out that they are cunning, power hungry, etc: and pro does not seem to challenge this more than adding loyalty to the group, and redefining power hungry a little.

Con argues that voldermort was successful while Malfoy appeared to inherit everything. Pros main challenge is that severity of acts does not mean he upholds the values more truly. Pro comes up with an excelllent example of an ISIS terrorist - this is a great argument from pro.

Pro points out that voldermort tried to challenge HP multiple times indicating bravery (Gryffindor),

Pro points out that voldermort takes on anyone in his way, whilst malfoy shows his loyalty to the group and family.

At this point, there are so many arguments made by both sides, it’s hard to keep up and talk of them all. The main relevant crux of this, is that pro argues malfoy mostly Plotted in the background whilst voldermort was more in-your-face.

While con excused this, this is basically creating an excuse for why voldermort wasn’t living up to slytherin values.

Matters of competency and success, I give totally to pro - as pro does an excellent job of explaining success in matters is not necessarily a measure of truly upholding values.

In terms of truer, pro also successfully framed this debate about purity - casting substantial doubt on whether voldermort was pure slytherin.

There were many nit picky aspects - too many to list which I felt weren’t as relevant or as important - why did he despise the Weasley’s? Or endanger his son with the basilisk? But con didn’t get out of the shadow of pros framing here.

Pro managed to make this debate about who is a purer slytherin, and made the tightest conformance to only slytherin values - and to successfully eradicate cons only real advantage which was how successful voldermort was. I felt this meant pro was able to successfully point out that while voldermort deviates from slytherin values - and is successful, malfoy is ultimately unsuccessful, but in a way that conforms with slytherin.

As a result of this, I have to award arguments to pro - and was probably the best debate of pros I have read here so far.