Instigator / Pro
28
1495
rating
47
debates
48.94%
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Topic
#796

Science is not the ultimate methodology which can be used to discern the truth.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
15
Better sources
10
10
Better legibility
5
5
Better conduct
4
5

After 5 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

Ramshutu
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Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
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35
1764
rating
43
debates
94.19%
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@Pinkfreud08

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>Reported Vote: Pinkfreud08 // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: Tied.

>Reason for Decision: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Reason for Mod Action: No points awarded votes must now explain, based on the content of the vote, why the voter chose not to award points. For more details, see here: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1718
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@bsh1
@Ramshutu

I definitely agree with you @ Ramshutu. In the past I have removed tied votes that don’t explain arguments. We are most likely going to have to MEEP this when we have our next MEEP.

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@Ramshutu

I will reflect on the issue. It has been debated significantly within moderation as well. I am well aware of the reasons why it is bad, and, in general, I agree with those reasons, but much of the debate I am having is over how to read the COC. For now, tied votes will continued to be unmoderatable, but that's in no way my last word on the question.

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@David
@bsh1

Hi Bsh - I wanted to ask you to review your decisions with regards to the spate of tied votes - and the precedent accepting them sets.

Firstly, there are two relevant portions of the CoC

“A vote bomb is a vote cast without a sufficient argument, >>>>>>>a vote cast without regard for the content of the debate<<<<<<, a vote which literally doesn’t make sense (e.g. it’s contradictory), or a vote cast based on a prejudgment of or prior opinion on the topic. Vote bombs that are reported will be removed.”

Additionally - when done repeatedly over multiple debates: “Spam is any content which is nonsensical or excessively repetitive.” while not all tied votes are spam, many of the more recent ones are meaningless/nonsensical and from RM in particular have Ben excessively repetitive.

Whilst a tied debate doesn’t directly affect the outcome: it may have an impact if people are, say, searching for debates that haven’t been voted on, and may mean debates aren’t given legitimate votes and end in ties.

It has an impact on perception of the site - allowing clearly absurd votes with no points does not set a good precedent into the future.

Finally whilst trivial - it’s mainly being done to bump vote count to obtain medals or status. As such these votes are clearly attempts to game the system, which largely undermines the purpose of it.

I would encourage you to re-examine this precedent set, and if possible remove these reported votes under the vote bomb/spam rules.

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@Ramshutu

Don’t worry, I gotchu

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@RationalMadman

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>Reported Vote: RationalMadman // Mod action: Not Removed

>Points Awarded: Tied.

>Reason for Mod Action: Votes which do not award points are not subject to review because no standard exists in the COC against by which they can be removed.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph

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>Reported Vote: Wrick-It-Ralph // Mod action: Not Removed

>Points Awarded: Tied.

>Reason for Mod Action: Votes which do not award points are not subject to review because no standard exists in the COC against by which they can be removed.
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@Sparrow

Define "the truth." It's very vague.