Instigator / Con
12
1598
rating
20
debates
65.0%
won
Topic
#799

If God were immaterial, God therefore would not exist.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
6
10
Better legibility
3
5
Better conduct
3
5

After 5 votes and with 23 points ahead, the winner is...

Dustandashes
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
35
1495
rating
9
debates
44.44%
won
Description

Round 1: Opening Arguments.
Round 2: Rebuttals.
Round 3: Rejoinders.
Round 4: (Double) Rejoinders.
Round 5: Closing Arguments.

Stipulations:

Definition of exist: to be (Cambridge Dictionary.)

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@Athias

I think you're on the right track, I don't know if I would have used shapes as evidence for the immaterial. Numbers can work. Where can I find "twelveness" in nature? Those analogies have their limits though. If I was trying to disprove materialism I might have gone with something like logic. The concept of logic by necessity must be immaterial for it to function at all. We could discuss that more if you'd like. Or I would bring up moral truths as examples of immaterial realities, that's always fun. Can altruism be weighed? Can you look at justice with a microscope...where in nature is the truth that you shouldn't murder people? Can that truth be experienced with the five senses? Are those truths made of particles? You get the idea. Just some more ammunition for future debates with real materialists.

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@Dustandashes

My apologies for my forfeit. I grossly overestimated the time I had available to respond. It's up to you: we can end the debate here, and allow my forfeit to determine the outcome, or we can pick up where we left off in Round 3. Either decision is fine.

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@Dustandashes

Lol nice alter ego dude

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@Athias

'semantic realm' of reality is something I came up with in my anti-materialism debate. I'm impressed to see that this (and not consciousness) is how you defeated it.