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Role Playing debate, Adolf Hitler (Pro) VS Joseph Stalin (Con) on Nazi economics VS soviet economics

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You filthy communist scum bag, Karl Marx was a filthy Jew and Marxism is a Jewish conspiracy to enslave the Aryan Race. I will be most pleased come the day when you are rotting in one of your own gulags after the supreme race takes over Europe. I will pluck out your eyes and feed you your own entrails you accursed swine.

I saved my people from economic collapse you filthy jewish prick, I routed out the jewish exploiters and created one of the strongest economies the world has ever seen.

See here, we rapidly decreased unemployment as soon as we got into power. There still was a fair degree of instability but such is to be expected when the filthy banking Jews of Europe had us up to our Swastikas in debt and the economy was in shambles before we got into power:
The most pressing economic matter the Nazis initially faced was the 30 percent national unemployment rate.[252] Economist Dr. Hjalmar Schacht, President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics, created a scheme for deficit financing in May 1933. Capital projects were paid for with the issuance of promissory notes called Mefo bills. When the notes were presented for payment, the Reichsbank printed money. Hitler and his economic team expected that the upcoming territorial expansion would provide the means of repaying the soaring national debt.[253] Schacht's administration achieved a rapid decline in the unemployment rate, the largest of any country during the Great Depression.[252] Economic recovery was uneven, with reduced hours of work and erratic availability of necessities, leading to disenchantment with the regime as early as 1934
The Aryan race is economically supreme you subhuman piece of jewish excrement

Six million people were unemployed when the Nazis took power in 1933 and by 1937 there were fewer than a million.
Also, our molestation and exploitation of the inferior races of Europe may seem immoral to your puny, inferior sensibilities...but oh boy did it help our economy.
During the course of the war, the Nazis extracted considerable plunder from occupied Europe. Historian and war correspondent William L. Shirer writes: "The total amount of [Nazi] loot will never be known; it has proved beyond man's capacity to accurately compute."[291] Gold reserves and other foreign holdings were seized from the national banks of occupied nations, while large "occupation costs" were usually imposed. By the end of the war, occupation costs were calculated by the Nazis at 60 billion Reichsmarks, with France alone paying 31.5 billion. The Bank of France was forced to provide 4.5 billion Reichsmarks in "credits" to Germany, while a further 500,000 Reichsmarks were assessed against Vichy France by the Nazis in the form of "fees" and other miscellaneous charges. The Nazis exploited other conquered nations in a similar way. After the war, the United States Strategic Bombing Survey concluded Germany had obtained 104 billion Reichsmarks in the form of occupation costs and other wealth transfers from occupied Europe, including two-thirds of the gross domestic product of Belgium and the Netherlands.[291]
Nazi plunder included private and public art collections, artefacts, precious metals, books, and personal possessions. Hitler and Göring in particular were interested in acquiring looted art treasures from occupied Europe,[292] the former planning to use the stolen art to fill the galleries of the planned Führermuseum (Leader's Museum),[293] and the latter for his personal collection. Göring, having stripped almost all of occupied Poland of its artworks within six months of Germany's invasion, ultimately grew a collection valued at over 50 million Reichsmarks.[292] In 1940, the Reichsleiter Rosenberg Taskforce was established to loot artwork and cultural material from public and private collections, libraries, and museums throughout Europe. France saw the greatest extent of Nazi plunder. Some 26,000 railroad cars of art treasures, furniture, and other looted items were sent to Germany from France.[294] By January 1941, Rosenberg estimated the looted treasures from France to be valued at over one billion Reichsmarks.[295] In addition, soldiers looted or purchased goods such as produce and clothing—items, which were becoming harder to obtain in Germany—for shipment home.[296]
Goods and raw materials were also taken. In France, an estimated 9,000,000 tonnes (8,900,000 long tons; 9,900,000 short tons) of cereals were seized during the course of the war, including 75 percent of its oats. In addition, 80 percent of the country's oil and 74 percent of its steel production were taken. The valuation of this loot is estimated to be 184.5 billion francs. In Poland, Nazi plunder of raw materials began even before the German invasion had concluded.[297]
I am literally orgasming all over myself at how fucking, god damned superior I am to you. Oh my fucking God, the aryan race is so fucking awesome. We even stole soviet resources to enrich the german people.

Following Operation Barbarossa, the Soviet Union was also plundered. In 1943 alone, 9,000,000 tons of cereals, 2,000,000 tonnes (2,000,000 long tons; 2,200,000 short tons) of fodder, 3,000,000 tonnes (3,000,000 long tons; 3,300,000 short tons) of potatoes, and 662,000 tonnes (652,000 long tons; 730,000 short tons) of meats were sent back to Germany. During the course of the German occupation, some 12 million pigs and 13 million sheep were taken. The value of this plunder is estimated at 4 billion Reichsmarks. This relatively low number in comparison to the occupied nations of Western Europe can be attributed to the devastating fighting on the Eastern Front.[298]
Oh my god, someone bring me some new underpants.


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Round 2
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Communists suck.
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Velcome everyone, Hitler has clearly demonstrated he is nothing but an uncivilized anti-Semite who deserves to be sent to the gulag!

 I saved my people from economic collapse you filthy Jewish prick,

The Aryan race is economically supreme you subhuman piece of Jewish excrement

 Oh my fucking God, the Aryan race is so fucking awesome.

Vriends….

Hitler is clearly too caught up in his own ego that he puts Semitic people down! I vish for voters to consider this when voting on which leader is more moral!

I may send people to the gulags sure,

However I send people to the gulags for actual reasons other than for the color of their skin or what religion they’re apart of!

If I sent one political rival to the gulag then it was to save the country!

If I sent one capitalist pig to the gulag it was to save the workers from being exploited!

What is Hitler's excuse? Because he said so?

What a piece of дерьмо

Vone vhing Hitler brings up is economics, however there’s more to a country then an economy,

Statistically according to War On The Rocks, our mighty soviet army and our allies were LEAGUES ahead of the Nazis even without your precious “ capitalist “

Not to mention, the fact that even though Nazi Germany betrayed us, we still triumphantly defeated them when Hitler's pride got ahead of him when he invaded Stalingrad.

Vits very obvious that Hitler's ego has made him become impulsive on his decisions, is a traitor,  and overall his military is what the Russians would call, a фиктивный

Next vet us discuss Allies,

Nazi Germany has two failure of countries being Japan and fascist Italy.

Compared to our powerful allies such as Great Britain, France, the USA.

Let's talk about education, according to revolutionary democracy, in 1913 only 7,800,000 million people in the USSR went to secondary and primary school.

However once our mighty soviets took over, this went to 35 million children.

Let's also compare university students, in 1913 there were only around 100,000 university students however once the Soviets took over there were now 650,000.

This is in part due to our wonderful education system, something the Nazis seem to lack seeing as how they spend their education system wasting their time on indoctrinating children into their anti Semitic ideology.

To conclude my comrades,

I have proven that the Nazi’s leader is nothing more than an anti Semite who’s repulsive and has a big ego, and their military and education systems are joke even with their previous capitalism which is allegedly " superior"


Round 3
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Hitler is clearly too caught up in his own ego that he puts Semitic people down! I vish for voters to consider this when voting on which leader is more moral!
This debate is about economics you incessant Shashlik gobbler. Morality is not the topic at hand and even if it was, even a dog is morally superior to you. You say I kill people merely for their skin color, but race is more than just skin color. Why do dogs have less brains than humans? It's because they are genetically dogs. Why are gorillas stronger than men? because they are genetically gorillas. Do you not think genes play a role in the difference in quality from person to person?

Besides, you kill people for literally no reason whatsoever, never mind race or religion.

Russian and world history scholar John M. Thompson places personal responsibility directly on Joseph Stalin. According to him, "much of what occurred only makes sense if it stemmed in part from the disturbed mentality, pathological cruelty, and extreme paranoia of Stalin himself. Insecure, despite having established a dictatorship over the party and country, hostile and defensive when confronted with criticism of the excesses of collectivization and the sacrifices required by high-tempo industrialization, and deeply suspicious that past, present, and even yet unknown future opponents were plotting against him, Stalin began to act as a person beleaguered. He soon struck back at enemies, real or imaginary".[62] Historian Helen Rappaport describes Nikolay Yezhov, the bureaucrat in charge of the NKVD during the Great Purge, as a physically diminutive figure of "limited intelligence" and "narrow political understanding. [...] Like other instigators of mass murder throughout history, [he] compensated for his lack of physical stature with a pathological cruelty and the use of brute terror".[63]
Statistically according to War On The Rocks, our mighty soviet army and our allies were LEAGUES ahead of the Nazis even without your precious “ capitalist “
You literally just made that up. It doesn't even exist.

Let's talk about education, according to revolutionary democracy, in 1913 only 7,800,000 million people in the USSR went to secondary and primary school.

However once our mighty soviets took over, this went to 35 million children.
The USSR is the government that was created BY the soviets you jew-loving prick. That literally doesn't even make sense, you are bragging about how much better the soviets are then the soviets.

Also, let it be noted that Con is too lazy to provide sources, as one would expect from a fat little commie Jew.
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Visten to this while you vead this please, 


This debate is about economics you incessant Shashlik gobbler. 

Hitler apparently has recently gotten a lobotomy, education and the military are a result of an economy 

Vish is the same reason why poorer countries with worse economies have poor military and horrible education systems. 

Not to mention vhe fact that systems such as education directly change the economy, 

This is exactly the reason why the more educated countries are the ones with the best economies 90 percent of the time. 

To conclude, education and military are direct results and impact a countries economy which means this is indeed related to economics, even if we buy Hitlers absurd barbaric logic, later on, vi will vrove that the MIGHTY soviet economy is ultimately superior to the Nazis economy. 

Morality is not the topic at hand and even if it was
My comrades, Similar to education and military examples, leaders directly impact the economy. 

This is exactly the reason why successful economies have great governments to manage them more likely than not, 

EX. North Korea 

North Korea has the most corrupt and inefficient government in recent memory, and it has a horrible economy as a result of this. 

If North Korea had wiser leadership, a better education system than it would most likely have a stable and efficient economy. 

 Do you not think genes play a role in the difference in quality from person to person?
Comrades, vy main problem is not you believing degenerates should be allowed in the workforce, 

vy issue is that you're killing groups of people based solely on religion and sexuality when these same people are more likely than not skilled tradesman and workers. 

In Nazi Germany alone according to encyclopedia.org, Jews performed jobs from being doctors, farmers, tailors, teachers, bankers, politicians, and business owners. 

By Hitler wiping out Jews alone, he would eliminate 1 % of the entire workforce, not to mention the future Jewish population that would have been born. 

To conclude, Hitler is villing off 1 % of his skilled workforce for no benefit nor good reason. This isn't even including the other groups this fascist pig would eliminate such as homosexuals, gypsies, and religious people. 


Besides, you kill people for literally no reason whatsoever, never mind race or religion.

Comrades In vhe example vhe fascist vig cited, I sent various political RIVALS to death as well as various other enemies of the vtate. 

So vhis wasn't just vor " no reason, " this was vor the well being of vy precious citizens you degenerate! 

You literally just made that up. It doesn't even exist.
Vee source # 1 

The USSR is the government that was created BY the soviets you jew-loving prick. That literally doesn't even make sense, you are bragging about how much better the soviets are then the soviets.
Va simple typo my comrade. 

vow let us discuss why the Soviet economy is superior vy comrades! 

1. Unemployment 

Accoring to nintil.com, the Soviets had a 100 employment rate for abled body people which ensures everyone has a living wage to subsist off of, my comrades this zis vecause vev eliminated the corrupt capitalist vystem the nazis have in place which according to historylearnings.com, in 1939 had nearly 300,000 workers unemployed. 

vis is a direct result from vitlers capitalist vig run economy!

2. Millitary 

Vour mighty Soviet Army vad a superior army which humiliated the fascist pigs in WW2!

According to warontherocks, over the course of the war the German to Soviet ratio of their armys saw the Soviets being behind by a million soliders, to the German army being outnumbered 4-1! 

My comrades this is yet another prime example of vitlers vailed economy! 

3. GDP 

According to researchgate, our successful communist economy ranked # 3 in the 1980's above vhe majority of countries! 

vhere is Germany? Nowhere to be veen! 

Pathetic even for a bunch of vascist vigs! 

vy comrades, I have vroven that the Nazi's leader is vothing short of a vascist pig who's ego has lost him WW2 and his countries economy. 

Vhe soviet economy has vone of the strongest economies vin vhe world with the 3rd highest GDP rate and a 100 % employment rate! 

Vith one of the best education and military in the world! 

Vy comrades vote vor vhe Soviets! 

LONG LIVE VHE SOVIET UNION MY COMRADES!!!!

Vources, 













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There goes my perfect record due to a tie, oh well it was fun while it lasted.
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Type1 revealing himself
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Here's your Unterhosen, mein Fuhrer.
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Objectively the worst depiction of Hitler ever. He would be much more civilized with a head of state. Historically, people didn't talk about orgasms in that context at that time.
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--> @Pinkfreud08
I didn't have a specific year in mind, anything goes I guess.
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What year will I have to base the context of this debate on?
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Seems like a fun idea, I will accept
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I'm a little curious. How will you "role play"? Does Stalin just say "comrade" a lot?
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