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#846

Virtuoso is an ethno-nationalist fascist Jew who licks donkey buttholes

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 9 votes and with 50 points ahead, the winner is...

TheRealNihilist
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@Brendo

bsh is ultimately the one who makes that decision, not me. That being said, bsh is super lenient on people and gives them multiple chances

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@David

Do you have a perm ban option? After looking at his last debates, it doesn’t seem as if he contributes to this website.

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@Brendo

He has been given a lengthy ban.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

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@Tiwaz

You may be right- I think of tribalism, ethnocentrism, and nationalism as the same human impulse defined by different scales and outlines: nations by borders, ethnocentrism by racial id, tribes by family ancestry.

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@oromagi

I think what you're referring to is tribalism. Ethnonationalism is a very specific political system and not necessarily ingrained in our psyche. Trump is a nationalist at best, a more apt term would be a neoconservative, but the last thing one could refer to him as is an ethnonationalist when he directly appeals to minorities as a voting strategy.

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@Tiwaz

I think in relationship to Palestine that is hard to deny but I also think ethno-nationalism runs pretty deep in the human psyche. I mean, Donald Trump is fairly ethnic-nationalistic in rhetoric, right? I guess I’m just challenging the notion that Israel is special in terms of nationalism- I see a lot of it around these days.

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@oromagi

Perhaps some countries have similar demographics to an ethnonationalist nation. They aren't directed upon that basis or created with that sole intention, Japan for instance is just incredibly strict on immigration and anything beyond tourism resulting in little ethnic diversity. Zionism and Israel, however, are expressly ethnonationalist in both their intent and their actions.

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@Tiwaz

Would u call Israel more diverse or less diverse than Japan, Tibet, Idaho? There’s a lot of ethnonationslism in the world- is Israel’s really even close to “ last bastion?”

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@TheRealNihilist

That’s circumstantial- permabans have to be unanimous. But 3 or 4 seems reasonable

Israel: The last bastion of Ethno-Nationalism, and a result of modern imperialism.

If he had avoided throwing in "who licks donkey buttholes," and assuming Virtuoso supports Zion, I would've agreed with him.

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@oromagi

How many times do the moderators need to realise he has shown to sign of change while being unwilling when confronted?

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@TheRealNihilist

Then they’ll be banned. If type1 returns with the same behavior I expect he’ll be gone for good.

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@oromagi

>>That’s the advantage of temp bans plenty of time to cool off and decide whether you’ll play by the rules.

What if they don't and have shown no step to play by the rules?

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@TheRealNihilist

That’s the advantage of temp bans plenty of time to cool off and decide whether you’ll play by the rules. It also gives the community time to develop consensus - you can see that even type1 has his advocates. We can talk about whether the policies are fair and impartially enforced. There is a definite line but it takes deliberation on all our parts to cross that line

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@oromagi

Mercy has got to come with a line. If the person doesn't bother to change or decides to do something awful then mercy can be thrown out.

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@TheRealNihilist

Because the mods choose abundance in mercy

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@oromagi

So why isn't it a permanent ban?

No I am not citing more recent info.

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@TheRealNihilist
@Club

My understanding is type1 is temp banned for 3 months beginning the day he instigated these debates & provoked a ban for the third or fourth time. I predict he’ll come back but I doubt he stays long. R u citing more recent info than me or just assuming he’s gone?

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@Club

If you go by rules yes.

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@TheRealNihilist

He deserved it

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@Club

I think he has been removed from the site so even if I wanted to I can't accept.

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@TheRealNihilist

You should stop responding to his debates, so he'll get bored and stop. But then again, you'll win every one of them.

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@oromagi

LOL

How rude lol