Instigator / Pro
0
1490
rating
1
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#963

The U.S was founded as a White Nation

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
0
3

After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Barney
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
1
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
3
1810
rating
49
debates
100.0%
won
Description

Discussion will range from the corruption of what our founding fathers intended, and how the United States has strayed away from it's original ideals.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro mainly focused on the opinions of those involved in the founding, or laws passed after the fact (con pointed both these out), as con discussed, neither of these approaches are relevant as the founding is based on the documents of founding are the guiding principles and these appear to show the country was founded under principles of equality, citing the lack of outright white racism in the documents
And birthright citizenship. (Though isn’t that from one of the later amendments?)

Either way, I have to pick con for arguments here as he points out the issues with the approach taken, and effectively invalidates all of pros arguments by pointing out the founding principles pertain to the document (which isn’t white nationy) rather than opinions of founders and subsequent laws.

This debate needed more rounds for a little bit back and forth to expand on points and ideas, I’d recommend that pro instigates a debate with more rounds next time.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con proves that the original laws, despite the perception that some people or things were racist, was not founded as a white nation. He proves many things to be irrelevant, such as things like after the foundation of the country in later years, and things that had no affect on the founding documents and laws.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

I'll be ignoring Con's rebuttals because that isn't fair given that Pro couldn't give any rebuttals either.

So basically Pro tried to prove the resolution by showing that the founding fathers were racist and were trying to increase the white population. Con's only point is that there is no "white clause" in any of the legal documents used for the founding of the country.

While Pro does show some racism, it doesn't sufficiently prove the resolution. And, as Con showed, why would they say that if it wasn't written down as law. There simply isn't enough evidence to support the resolution.