the catholic church has a magic hat, probably contradicted itself

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Responsibility? Like guilt?

No.

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@Mopac
Responsibility? Like guilt?

If I meant guilt, I'd have said guilt. Responsibility. Is the ultimate reality RESPONSIBLE for the existence of childhood cancer and a disease that literally robs a person and their family of that person, while they're still alive?
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What causes cancer and disease?


Maybe people should stop screwing with the environment. Maybe they should stop putting garbage in the food they sell to make a buck. Does God give you glowing puss filled lumps on your genitals or did you ask for it through a life of sexual immorality? If is a blame issue here, it does no good to blame God. 


Yes, innocents suffer for the sins of others.


Just as an innocent person is going to suffer when the sins of many cause a nation to be destroyed. 


And your question is dishonest because you don't believe in God.


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i think mopac has answered that.

I'm sure you could blame God for everything if you root it back to God creating everything.
It seems you, ludo, re saying it is hard to fathom god's plan, and no doubt mopac would agree it is hard to fathom!  

God has not told mopac the details of His plan.
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Sure, you could blame God for allowing you to be born into this miserable world.

Guess how much good that is going to do?

None.  


It is not the right attitude to approach God.




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Sure, you could blame God for allowing you to be born into this miserable world.
I can't blame God for anything.

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Yes, and so you see, when somebody who doesn't believe in God asks questions like these, I can't help but interpret it as a form of scoffing or self justification.



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I think the hope is you will realise your position is untenable.

I have never seen it work!
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To deny The Ultimate Reality is untenable, and I think it is truly a marvel that this isn't obvious to everyone.