A classic: From creator god ==> Specific God

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--> @keithprosser
Notice how your remarks reflect the state of this site, the incompetence it took to get here and the denial and ignorance of those in charge who are under the delusion they know what they're doing? Well said, Keith.
--> @Mopac
I could always leave.
But, it's not your fault, you can't help it that you're deluded, hateful and one dimensional.

Then everyone go back to circle jerking in their nihilism as they debate sock puppets and children while pretending there is no God.

You're presence here regarding your God has zero influence, while your presence here in general is annoying, repetitious and void of intelligence.

I mean what else can I do?
Turning on your brain and using it would be a good option. Or, has it completely rotted from religion?

I know my warnings will fall on the ears of the deaf, and my attempts to educate will be met with the scoffing and mocking of the self justified.
One could only be educated by you if they were a psychiatrist working on a case.

It probably doesn't help that I actually don't like to debate or argue. 
So, you join a debate site.
--> @Goldtop
I don't really value your opinion.

--> @Mopac
I know my warnings will fall on the ears of the deaf
Oh chicken little we mean no harm, it's just that your warnings come from IPSS and are really stupid.

GOD ?  how about Zeus ?

When Egypt was ruled by GREEKS from 300 BC to about 30 BC...the Egyptian GODS were replaced  by ZEUS...

Regardless it is obvious that non GREEKS in EGYPT still worshipped their own GOD versions and probably
went along with the ZEUS construct...did the GREEKS force the EGYPTIANS to convert and accept Zeus using
FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE ?    NO

Furthermore , the GREEKS appreciated this ancient culture and kept much of it intact...UNLIKE THE CHRISTIAN
and ALLAH God Parasite Vampires...when they forced others to assimilate it was always with FEAR-INTIMIDATION
and VIOLENCE and they totally destroyed the existing CULTURE....

for 300 years the GREEKS then ROMANS in EGYPT flourished in the ARTS-SCIENCES-PHILOSOPHY +++

The Christians and Allah GOD psychopath VAMPIRES totally destroyed CULTURE..ARTS..SCIENCES
and OPEN MINDED THINKING....and they continue to this day...

Jesus shows up as this friendly Philosopher among totally dumbed down PSYCHOTIC TRIBAL LUNATICS
who innovated NOTHING....obviously the ROMAN CHURCH knew how to crush the illiterate masses of asses
with FEAR and INTIMIDATION...and the DARK AGES ENSUED for 1400 years...DISGUSTING

The CHRISTIAN and ALLAH God Parasite Vampires are the greatest DISGRACE in human existence
--> @WisdomofAges
What about all the other gods you and Mopac don't believe in? 
--> @Mopac
I don't really value your opinion.
You don't value or care or even read anyone's opinion because you have no morals or ethics.

--> @Goldtop
LOL the irony.
LOL. The stupidity. You block me but you respond to me. Grow up.
--> @Goldtop
Fuck you, bigot. 
--> @disgusted
I disagree. What would you expect from a living, thinking, rational, logical Being? 

You would expect to find life coming from life, as living beings producing other living beings is all you ever witness.
Therefore your imaginary god cannot be living, well said. From what living being did your god come?
How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there. 

You would expect to find reasons for the creation. You find laws of nature that are expressed by mathematical formula and principles that are DISCOVERED, not put there by us thinking it. 
Are you serious, I mean really?
Are you? You have a universe without meaning, intention, or purpose, and you cannot explain why it is here with any certainty because you don't have what is needed for certainty, yet you pontificate your silly ideas. 



The reason your mythical god created the universe is because he wanted to create the laws of the universe? Are you serious? I mean really serious? Your god indulges in meaningless tomfoolery? WOW. 
He had a purpose in creating the universe. Your worldview has no purpose for the universe, thus it is you who are engaged in the tomfoolery, for ultimately what does it matter, it's meaningless, and I do not take stock in anything you say since your bias and prejudice is asserted into everything you say - everything, IMO.  

I take very little stock of what you say as worthwhile. It is a philosophy of despair and despondency, IMO. I see you as offering nothing positive; you no compassion for the most helpless. You want to diminish and tear apart their lives, dispose of them at any cost on the whims of a woman's thumbs down, arena type decision.


Still has me blocked, but still responds to me. Ah, the stupidity. 
--> @PGA2.0
How can an eternal Being come from anything?
Because something can't come from nothing, that is one of the theists strongest assertions when it comes to opining on origins.

--> @disgusted
I usually start with one of two arguments for God because I think they are most effective, the argument for morality and the argument for prophecy as a revelation from God. 
Your first argument is destroyed by all of the IPSS writings you worship.0-1
Assertion without a shred of proof for your position, as usual. This is Beginners Guide to Argumentation, 101. 

Your second argument loses all credibility by the prophesy and it's alleged fulfillment existing in a book filled with fiction and fantasy, a book of lies. 
Again, nothing but a contentious statement.

I would also argue that the proof for the Christian or biblical God is far and superior to any other worldview, including the atheistic or naturalistic one. 
It is a fact of life that gods are the creation of mankind, they never existed before mankind invented them.

With all but One. And here you are, placing yourself as "god" declaring what is and is not without any reasonable or logical demonstration that what you say can be trusted. 

--> @Goldtop
How can an eternal Being come from anything?
Because something can't come from nothing, that is one of the theists strongest assertions when it comes to opining on origins.

Logically speaking, explain to me how when you have nothing (not a thing, zero, zilch) something comes from this void of things. 

So, I have a good case that it is impossible. What you are speaking of is self-creation, something that has no EXISTENCE creating itself out of nothing. Please demonstrate this is possible and where do you witness it happening? 

--> @Goldtop
Well, what I believe is not what you say I believe. If you don't believe me, what then? It seems only that you hate me without a cause.


--> @PGA2.0
How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there. 

Prove that the god created by IPSS is eternal, your entire life is built on the writings of the IPSS. Fancy relying on their ignorance and superstition.


Are you? You have a universe without meaning, intention, or purpose, and you cannot explain why it is here with any certainty because you don't have what is needed for certainty, yet you pontificate your silly ideas. 
We actually share the same universe but in your mind your universe is different because you have a man made god who created it for the sole purpose of creating the laws that govern it. How very sad.

He had a purpose in creating the universe.

How do you know?


Your worldview has no purpose for the universe, thus it is you who are engaged in the tomfoolery, for ultimately what does it matter, it's meaningless, and I do not take stock in anything you say since your bias and prejudice is asserted into everything you say - everything, IMO.  
And here it is your abject fear of death writ large. "I'm too important to just die, I deserve better, there must be something after this, I must have a purpose for evolving like everything else on this planet but I'm better than everything else. They die but I can't I'm important I deserve to live forever in paradise, I can't just die I can't." You don't take any stock in what I say because it's true and the truth is you will die like everything else that has evolved on this planet, you can't allow yourself to even approach that truth because it means that to this universe you are not special at all, you live and you die and you are once again unaware because you no longer exist. That scares the bejesus out of ya.

--> @PGA2.0
I disagree. What would you expect from a living, thinking, rational, logical Being? 

You would expect to find life coming from life, as living beings producing other living beings is all you ever witness.
Therefore your imaginary god cannot be living, well said. From what living being did your god come?

How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there. 

So your god can't be living given the definitions you gave above.


--> @PGA2.0
What would you expect from a living, thinking, rational, logical Being? You would expect to find reasons for the creation. You find laws of nature that are expressed by mathematical formula and principles that are DISCOVERED, not put there by us thinking it. You would expect to find life coming from life, not from the non-living, as living beings producing other living beings is all you ever witness. You would expect morality to originate from a moral Being. That is just the drop in the bucket. 

If this were a rational, living, thinking, logical being that created the universe, you mean? I guess I'd expect to find evidence of any of the adjectives you've used. What's the "rationale" in the idea that eventually, and without question, the Andromeda galaxy will collide with ours is tens of millions of years and literally rip everything in BOTH galaxies to shreds? What's the "thinking" behind extinctions happening at a 99% rate for all species? What's the "living" bing you're describing doing creating giagnitc and insurmountable distances between us and our nearest neighbors? Or the logic is perhaps not having neighbors at all? The fact that all of these natural phenomena are present directly contradicts the description you provide. Wait, let me guess, we know not his holy purpose. EXCEPT YOU ARE SAYING YOU DO, and it's Earth. Why I'm even engaging you on science is questionable, maybe I'll quit it, because if you believe in a literal Adam and Eve, you clearly do not care about evidence or science or really anything that isn't what you already think. 

No, we don't put NATURAL LAWS in nature, yes, we derive them, but I'm pretty sure what I said we put there is meaning. Why, exactly, would I expect morality to originate from a moral being? And more to the point and the topic, why is that moral being the character in a book that's less than 2000 years old? You understand that your biblical prophesy argument also presumes the god of the bible is true, so before you get there (essentially a "this BOOK is true because") you should get to how you identified that before the book, the god in it existed as and behaved as described (I know God created the universe and it wasn't Cronos because...).

With all but One.
Bald faced special pleading. 

And here you are, placing yourself as "god" declaring what is and is not without any reasonable or logical demonstration that what you say can be trusted. 
Said the guy trying to say the reason god can exist without being created is because he's eternal or exists outside of space and time. If god can be eternal, can you demonstrate that the stuff that makes up the universe is NOT eternal? What's the logical demonstration you would use to show "this character in a book is real, and he somehow exists without the two things that are absolutely required for ANYTHING to exist: space (for something to occupy) and time (for the span of existence). It's all special pleading, special knowledge garbage. I wonder what you might have been like if you hadn't dedicated so much brainpower to undergirding some fairy tale for I don't know whose benefit. Yours, of course. 
--> @Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is God, and I challenge you to find anything else worthier of being callled God. You can't, there is nothing greater. No amount of sophistry or mental gymnastics is going to override what is truly reality.
This is not currently in dispute.
--> @disgusted
So your god can't be living given the definitions you gave above.
Excellent point.
--> @keithprosser
I am sure I specifically stated Odin did not use thunderbolts.
I spilled my coffee...
--> @3RU7AL
It really shouldn't be.

--> @Mopac
Well, what I believe is not what you say I believe. If you don't believe me, what then?
You could try shoving a cucumber up your ass, then I might believe you.

It seems only that you hate me without a cause.
Don't be silly, I could think of a half dozen causes off the top of my head and a great deal more given some thought.

As usual, the sick, demented Christian who brings the hatred pretends to act the victim.
--> @disgusted
How can an eternal Being come from anything? He always is, a necessary Being transcending time. Thus, life comes from the living! No contradiction there. 

Prove that the god created by IPSS is eternal, your entire life is built on the writings of the IPSS. Fancy relying on their ignorance and superstition.
BS. My life is built on the credible testimony of the Bible with transcends the ANE and still applies in its message today; that is there is one way for a person to experience a right relationship with God and humanity without that relationship the person is answerable to God by their merit - what they do. 



Are you? You have a universe without meaning, intention, or purpose, and you cannot explain why it is here with any certainty because you don't have what is needed for certainty, yet you pontificate your silly ideas. 
We actually share the same universe but in your mind your universe is different because you have a man made god who created it for the sole purpose of creating the laws that govern it. How very sad.
It is your claim that the biblical God is made up, not mine. You choose to believe this so believe what you want. You are welcome to your belief. Death will be the determiner of whether you are right or wrong. 


He had a purpose in creating the universe. 

How do you know?
Because it is reasonable to believe based on the biblical revelation and what we see. It makes sense. It has corroborating evidence.



Your worldview has no purpose for the universe, thus it is you who are engaged in the tomfoolery, for ultimately what does it matter, it's meaningless, and I do not take stock in anything you say since your bias and prejudice is asserted into everything you say - everything, IMO.  
And here it is your abject fear of death writ large. "I'm too important to just die, I deserve better, there must be something after this, I must have a purpose for evolving like everything else on this planet but I'm better than everything else. They die but I can't I'm important I deserve to live forever in paradise, I can't just die I can't." You don't take any stock in what I say because it's true and the truth is you will die like everything else that has evolved on this planet, you can't allow yourself to even approach that truth because it means that to this universe you are not special at all, you live and you die and you are once again unaware because you no longer exist. That scares the bejesus out of ya.
Here again, you treat physical death as if it is the end of our existence - your choice. That is not the way I see life. I believe you have convinced yourself that all you have is here and now based on your limited knowledge and a specific worldview belief. Your belief system denies God. Thus, you are not open to God and afterlife. I think you feel it is in your best interest to deny God.

Romans 1 reveals that denying God leaves people unaccountable and available to practice a sinful lifestyle. After years of dialog with you, I realize you do not want to change your belief system because you, just like the persons described in Romans, want to do your own thing. 

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.