Dig holes to hell change my mind.

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@dave2242

well we could take out most people with known murders being watched for a set amount of time depending on how long they where in there.

for future crimes i agree it could be used as a deterrent stab someone get sent to hell for a month

If we decide to send them to hell for a month for murder, they probably did this punishment many times over since they were probably in hell for years. If they just arrived and they were a murderer, then they would stay a little longer. The odds of this happening are very rare though.

well we dont kill them to send them to hell we throw them down the hole

It's easier to kill them. If you throw them down the hole, then they would knock relatively innocent people using the ladder down and it would be harder for them to go to earth.

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@Melcharaz

The bible never says that hell is the eternal punishment.

Mathew 18:8 states, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire".

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@Alec

and eternal fire is refering to what? Hell or the lake of fire?

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@Melcharaz

What's the difference?

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@Alec

I already stated the difference in revelations. Also, further reading of the bible can interpret the lake of fire as a place on earth during the 1k reign of christ.

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@Melcharaz

I don't think you stated the difference in this chain. If you did, can you copy and paste your response?

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@Alec

The bible never says that hell is the eternal punishment. In revelation specifically it says "Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire" meaning there is a different place all together, even if only refering to the residents of hell, they are put in a lake of fire which is different from the bibles showing of Hell.

infact there are many understandings of what hell really is and what the outer darkness is and what the lake of fire is. Because it states that the beast and false prophet were cast into the lake of fire before satan was. But any way that you look at it. The lake of fire is altogether different than "The grave and death and sheol" which are mentioned in the old testament. I think the quotes of jesus referring to the rich man and lazerus has best understanding of the difference of abrahams bosom and gehenna.

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@Melcharaz

What if the lake of fire is located below earth? It's possible and I can find many links confirming that people are screaming below the surface of Earth so it might to be accurate since multiple sources say so. What are we losing just by checking it out? The hole would be cheap to make. If we're wrong, the US gov wastes $20 billion or so. If we're right, the US gets trillions in revenue by bringing back people who would contribute to our economy. I say it's worth the try.

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If we decide to send them to hell for a month for murder, they probably did this punishment many times over since they were probably in hell for years. If they just arrived and they were a murderer, then they would stay a little longer. The odds of this happening are very rare though.

i was mostly referring to people who haven't been to hell 1 month was a example not a rule

It's easier to kill them. If you throw them down the hole, then they would knock relatively innocent people using the ladder down and it would be harder for them to go to earth.

well more people would be religious as we built a hole to hell so they could go to heaven instead and we dont want that

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well more people would be religious as we built a hole to hell so they could go to heaven instead and we dont want that

If they could escape hell and if they knew what it was by video cameras or something, then they would cease to be religious and instead would want to focus more on becoming immortal to avoid hell altogether. From there, our population and GDP would skyrocket. Why wouldn't you want more people going to heaven?

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@Alec

sheol, gehenna is under the earth. not the lake of fire.

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Every attempt we make at drilling to hell ends in finding oil / oar, and gold to name a few gets in the way.

After Five failed attempts at drilling to hell the drilling company has become the biggest drilling company to ever exist.

They do however say they will not quit until they find it. And they think they know where it is now.

The drilling company would also like to remind you about alllllllllllllll the kids in hell, we owe it to them to get out.

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@Alec

Do you think we should dig holes to hell to free those burning?

No, we should spend more time on educating children so they don't believe in stupid nonsense like digging holes to free people who are burning in hell.

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infact there are many understandings of what hell really is and what the outer darkness is and what the lake of fire is.

No, there are many "beliefs", not understandings. You can't understand something that has never been shown to exist.

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@Alec

If they could escape hell and if they knew what it was by video cameras or something, then they would cease to be religious and instead would want to focus more on becoming immortal to avoid hell altogether.

true but a lot of people do not like the idea of immortality and it would sort of suck as you would have to go through the long line in hell to get to the surface.

Why wouldn't you want more people going to heaven?

because then they could not come to back to earth and contribute more

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@dave2242

it would sort of suck as you would have to go through the long line in hell to get to the surface.

It's better then burning in hell forever. The more holes that are dug, the shorter the lines would be on average. If 100 holes are dug and people exit hell at 100 people per second, assuming there are 100 billion dead people right now, in about 30 years, everyone in hell would be saved. Anyone else who dies and goes to hell should be able to follow others to get to the surface until all the lines are gone. Then we will have to build more holes and maybe implement signs and to build roads showing people who die where the holes are for their saving.

a lot of people do not like the idea of immortality

From what I've read, 1/3 people want to be immortal. I think one big reason why most don't is because they think they will go to heaven. Once people find out that the alternative for most of them is burning in hell, I imagine most people would support immortality.

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@Alec

That's more than the carrying capacity of Earth. There might be beasties too. You're gonna need a bigger spaceship.

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@Snoopy

That's more than the carrying capacity of Earth.

Our carrying capacity would skyrocket because people from hell don't need food to function. So we would still have enough food to feed the living. With all that people like Albert Einstein and Newton coming from hell, it would be easier to colonize the moon.

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@Alec

The bible says that most of us will burn in hell forever and that hell is extremely painful. Look it up if you don't believe me because I'm too lazy to get links.

The soviets accidentally discovered hell when they were competing against America to see who could dig the deepest hole. They discovered hell in the process(http://www.amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm).

Based off of this information, the US should dig many holes to hell with ladders and geothermal powered elevators in order to free those in hell. Change my mind if you want to.

I think digging holes looking for combustible sources is called fracking for gas.

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@Harikrish

I'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.

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I'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.

By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.

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@Harikrish

By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.

Can you rephrase because to me this doesn't make sense?

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I'm proposing that we dig holes for a different purpose. To free those in hell. It's not about gas extraction.

By digging holes and freeing the gas we are freeing those from hell only to burn as intended when we light the gas in our stoves etc.

Can you rephrase because to be this doesn't make sense?

You said we dig holes not for gas but to free those in hell.

But that is exactly what gas is, it is dead spirits trapped in hell which we free as gas when we did holes. The gas is burned in our stoves etc. Which is the burning in hell metaphor duplicated in the gas burning.

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@Harikrish

You might have refereed to dead souls as "gas". If it is gas, gasoline is different from souls.

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News Flash for Numpties.

GASOLINE IS NOT GAS.

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@Alec

how can a soul/sprit be dead. its a bit pointless to say dead soul anyway. its similar to saying shot dead when you are talking about a dead person

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But the poor are still poor and even your general statement is false.

Lol great points... i wish he kept going with his Capitalism thing. I'm centrist, but this is one thing i clearly lean left on.

I hate it when the right bring about the argument... well, "the poor are richer than a king from game of thrones days" ... BS. They're still poor!!! Does it matter they were able to buy an iphone... probably used anyways?? They are still struggling in the richest nation.

When it comes to greed... the "right" really takes the cake... literally, and stuff it down their faces without a care in the world that people have to skip buying milk, essentials, bc they had to get a cavity filled that month.

"While the richer get richer... the poor can buy an iphone so they can at least watch shows when they're begging for money." Freaking most idiotic mentality.

In answering is socialism bad, capitalism bad thing... They are both horrible without each other. I just don't know which one to call the girl / guy in the relationship.

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Lol great points... i wish he kept going with his Capitalism thing.

It is what the #1 debater on this site does. He pivots when he doesn't want to acknowledge where he makes mistakes. I can't even think of a single argument we had ever that he never pivoted which equals to I concede because I don't what I am talking about. Sad really if he has #1 on this site and thinks Our_Boat_Is_Right deserves to even be mentioned in the best debater category.
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They are still struggling in the richest nation.

They can't even admit that. Really goes to show how intellectually incapable they are.

the "right" really takes the cake.

Yes war profiteers. Want to build a wall for some reason. Implying stuff like you choose to be poor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9mGAn3s9e4

Watch the first minute to get Ben Shapiro implying poor people choose to be poor. That is a really st*pid comment. The list goes on but I that is what came to my mind first.

"While the richer get richer... the poor can buy an iphone so they can at least watch shows when they're begging for money." Freaking most idiotic mentality.

Okay so they can buy an IPhone but still are not able to improve their wages which can help them move out of their bad predicament? Wow I much rather have an IPhone than a decent income. That is a joke by the way.

In answering is socialism bad, capitalism bad thing... They are both horrible without each other. I just don't know which one to call the girl / guy in the relationship.

I think the right argue socialism=bad when they don't realise taxes is a form of redistribution which is socialism. The left I think argue like what Karl Marx did which was neo-liberalism exploited other cultures with unfair trade. This can be clearly seen when people take the music of other cultures but do not credit them or even pay them. Here is a video which does help with understanding what is bad about capitalism or late-stage capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sCRcfYRslg

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