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@Stephen
You are literally describing tribalism.As much as you like to play down this menace as mere "tribalism" it is far more than that, It is a clash of cultures and ideologies.
You are literally describing tribalism.As much as you like to play down this menace as mere "tribalism" it is far more than that, It is a clash of cultures and ideologies.
s Muhammad Ali "incompatible" with the West?Is Dr. Oz "incompatible" with the West?Is Dave Chappelle "incompatible" with the West?Is Casey Kasem "incompatible" with the West?What about Cat Stevens, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Mike Tyson, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Ellen Burstyn, Mos Def, Omar Epps?
Tell me, WHAT if I do not "believe in TOLERANCE, inalienable HUMAN RIGHTS and FREEDOM OF SPEECH"?Look, I avoid using charged language whenever possible, but you're making it pretty difficult here.The following is a conditional statement.(IFF) someone advocates intolerance and conditional human rights and censorship (THEN) that person is a FASCIST.
Christians I've run across in my lifetime believe that the ideal model for their laws is from a "backward ancient law system"Without trying to impose them on a modern western society.
Without making it illegal to criticize and offend.
Without inventing words that mean one could end up in prison such as the left wing libtard favourite of the islam apologist "islamophobia"..
This religious board is of full of offence, bigotry and criticism of Christians and Christianity and no one seems to give two fks, mention Islam and the shiite hits the fan.
Is Muhammad Ali "incompatible" with the West?Is Dr. Oz "incompatible" with the West?Is Dave Chappelle "incompatible" with the West?Is Casey Kasem "incompatible" with the West?What about Cat Stevens, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Mike Tyson, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Ellen Burstyn, Mos Def, Omar Epps?ISLAM you buffoon ISLAM is incompatible with the west.
(IFF) someone advocates intolerance and conditional human rights and censorship (THEN) that person is a FASCIST.I see, So ISLAM is fascist. Well how about that, you wouldn't have fkn thought it would you.
Which in turn means MILLIONS of the 1.5 BILLION muslims who follow this fascist dictatorial ideology are totalitarians too.
And the "conditional statement" would that be covered by your "special pleading" link?
I'm not a framer of laws but it is illegal for a parent to smack their child, so why not a law about over-controlling what a child wears? You are in error if you think that I think things can be fixed without upsetting anybody. I fully accept that some hard-line Muslims are not going to accept any compromise, but then again neither will some non-Muslms. Such a law would not forbid traditional dress but would provide a legal remedy for anyone who is being oppressed by their parent or spouse.How do you believe we go about telling a muslim father that his daughter will be allowed to wear miniskirt whether he likes it or not and whether it is against his religion of culture or not?
What about laws making it illegal to open a business on Sundays?
Drinking [Recreational Drug] Laws
What about laws against abortion?
Stephen wrote:There are what people are calling no go zones here in the UK, but mention this to an apologist for islam and they will call you an outright liar.Apparently he is not alone in that view.Almost a third of British people now believe the myth that there are “no-go zones” where non-Muslims cannot enter, according to a report warning of mounting intolerance.(The Independent newspaper, oct 2018)a8588226.htmlBut no one seems to know where these no-go areas are, depite 'great swaths of the UK that have been taken over by Muslims' (stephen's words).I have to correct Stephen on one point - I am not an apologist for islam. Yassine is, I am not. The last thing I want is an Islamic Republic of Britain.What I am is 'anti-xenophobic'. Stephen calls me an apologist because I have tried to counter some of the more egregious fibs told about Islam and Muslims because - due to the unstinting efforts of Stephen and his like minded friends - anti-Muslim feeling is ratcheting up. I don't fear Britain becoming an Islamic state, but I do fear it becoming an un-liberal and intolerant one.The prospect of an Islamic Britain is a bogey man - it isn't on the most distant horizon. But a Britain that has abandoned its traditions of tolerance to appease baseless fears peddled by xenophobes in the near future is very much on the cards.
Islam is not monolithic,
What about laws making it illegal to open a business on Sundays?What about?What about?What about?
Your statement seemed to be suggesting that anyone who subscribed to Muslim beliefs is basically a terrorist (incompatible with "the west").
Please (EITHER) modify your original claim (OR) compellingly explain how ALL of these individuals are "incompatible with the west".
Some individual people who subscribe to some forms of Islam are FASCIST.
ISLAM you [ad hominem]! ISLAM is incompatible with the west...
ISLAM you [ad hominem]! ISLAM is incompatible with the west...Please demonstrate logical support for this claim.
Says who? you? Do not kid yourself. Muslims believe the quran is the true unalterable and last word of Allah and cannot be altered because it is "perfect".
It is and I happen to agree with you and the muslim parents protesting. My point was and still is, the hypocrisy of the left wing libtards such as prossser. If these were Christian parents protesting, there would be every homosexual in the land ( and prosser) turning out to confront these parents and supporting the teachers. And there would be accusations of them being "homophobic" and spitting and in their faces and worse. And I don't doubt for one minute that many of the Christian parents would be arrested charged and imprisoned or fined for "hate crime", which has happened to christians on a few occasions now. And the clear point that these muslim parents have made is that one cannot be a muslim and homosexual, so it is their religious beliefs they are pushing here.
I think there is a better way forward than deporting or forcibly sterilsiing a signiicant number of British citizens and that is to encourage Muslims to reject conservative forms of Islam and adopt more progressive forms.
Ibn Warraq, Islamic scholar and a leading figure in Qur’anic criticism, was a senior research fellow at the Center for Inquiry.
But unless Allah is real and has plans for us there can be no such thing as a correct interpretation.
they all claim their interpretation is the true one!
It is alleged - with some credibility - that the rise of fundamentalist intrerpretations of Islam is at least partly due to Saudi Arabia using its great oil wealth to export 'wahaabist' Islam, for instance by building and funding mosques, schools and madrasas worldwide. Or is that sectarian propaganda? I can't be sure.
that is to encourage Muslims to reject conservative forms of Islam and adopt more progressive forms.
Ibn Warraq, Islamic scholar and a leading figure in Qur’anic criticism, was a senior research fellow at the Center for Inquiry.Women are inferior under Islamic law; their testimony in a court of law is worth half that of a man; their movement is strictly restricted; they cannot marry a non-Muslim.Similar bronze-age laws exist in the "Old Testament".Similar bronze-age laws exist in the "Old Testament".Similar bronze-age laws exist in the "Old Testament".Similar bronze-age laws exist in the "Old Testament".
Yes, Saudi Arabia is funding all the above as is Iran funding terrorism, and our western governments are not doing anything about it, are they.
Discovered by western technology and the same helped them get it out of the ground, refine it and stupidly allowed them to nationalise it.
With a MASSIVE difference you absolute buffoon. Islam STILL practices all the above and worse. Islam is still ancient Islam.
There have been massive reforms in Judaism and Christianity and all for the better of mankind (though some may disagree). On the other hand ;
ISLAM is STILL the BARBARIC ideology as it was when it was first created by man believing he had a vision over 1400 years ago.
Jews do not even recognise the Old Testament as ' there's' you fool and they never have.
And Christianity preaches love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek.
“The Democratic system that is predominant in the world is not a suitable system for the peoples of our region. … The system of free elections is not suitable to our country.” King Fahd of Saudi Arabia.At least King Fahd has had the honesty to admit the incompatibility of Islam and Democracy.
You asked for a logical support for my claim.
You got it from a muslim academic scholar and a Muslim King:
you don't like it. This is the typical reaction of someone having the FACTS of the matter shoved up their drainpipe. Now go away. Unless you would like some more facts concerning the incompatibility of Islam with west.