8chan should not be getting censored simply because criminals are using it

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As of right now (August 2019), you can't find 8chan on Google (literally have to use a different search engine such as duckduckgo or qwant), and Cloudflare is terminating it as well, simply because a lot of criminals like to use the site, especially within the past year.

It doesn't make sense to do this. The site/owner isn't the one carrying out all of those shootings/attacks - the criminal is, so the criminal is who needs to be punished, not the site itself. Some good people use that site too, not just criminals/extremists.

Even ISPs (Internet Service Providers) have been blocking people from accessing these sites, which, again, doesn't make sense, since you could just use a VPN (Virtual Private Network) to mask your IP (Internet Protocol) address and still access the site.

If these media outlets don't like 8chan, then don't use it. Plain and simple. Why censor it simply because you don't like it, or because bad people use it? Bad people use sites like 4chan and reddit too, and they also use discord and WhatsApp, yet nobody is hating on those sites and censoring them like crazy, although those sites may have more regulations on what you can post. I don't like the "boobie streamers" that plague Twitch TV, but that wouldn't mean that I could just call for that site to get censored, or a porn site.

I can understand censoring something that is straight-up illegal, such as child pornography, or doxxing, but as far as I'm aware, there has never been either of those on either 4chan or 8chan. The worst thing was only criminals talking about crime.

As scary as these websites are, I like them for the fact that you can read what real criminals and bad people have to say, understand their point of view, understand their side of things, understand the hatred that they have and how they feel, understand where their coming from, understand the kinds of things they say in their manifestos and how they make the choices that they make, understand why they do what they do and/or think what they think, and/or have some decent information from the criminal's perspective in order to form a solid and more accurate conclusion/opinion. It's good to have a basic understanding of how criminals think and act, and these sites allow people to have just that. Not only that, but websites like these are great for helping people understand the harsh nerve-racking truth about this world - that it is not a nice, happy, fantasy land - that it has a lot of scary things to it, and that many people have such dark and scary thoughts. These sites, however evil they may seem, allow people to write down their hatred and share it with those who are interesting in hearing their side of things.

Not all sites need to be like this, obviously. Most sites, even this one, will have strict rules on what you can post, in order to promote a friendly environment, and that's great. There are people that like themselves a little friendly environment, so they go to websites such as this, and at the same time, there are also people who may either find those friendly environments boring, or may be experiencing so much pain, hatred, and suffering in their lives that they need a site like 8chan to express their hatred without having to worry about getting immediately punished for it due to strict rules. Either way, there's a community-like site for everyone, and people are free to choose what kind of online environment they want to be in, whether's it a nice one with strict rules, or a much harsher one with less strict rules.

Instead of figuring out some more realistic ways of dealing with mass shootings, they're blaming random online forum websites, which are literally just large complex assortments of various "!DOCTYPE html" codes and programming. Censoring these sites most certainly will not deter these forms of crime in the slightest. Crime has existed for centuries, even before the internet became a thing, and it will continue to exist.

A better method of deterring crime is to have armed people there, ready to take the criminal down when he attacks. Police have proven to take way too long, way too often, to arrive during an attack, and by the time they get there, a bunch of people are already dead, so it's just better to have trained people who can deal with the criminal without having to wait for police. Most of these shooters are cowards who will only target people who they know are defenseless. Most of them want free, easy kills, and not fair fights against other armed people.

The absolute best thing that censoring these sites will accomplish, is that it would make a few butthurt people feel better about themselves.

I purposefully wrote this in the "Education" section of this forum and not "Politics" because we can learn something and potentially be educated about something, based on understanding criminals, and understanding their point of view.
neither should 4chan, you don't mess with autists
Reddit is better so I don't care. 
--> @TheRealNihilist
Reddit is better so I don't care. 

Sure, bit reddit sucks now, Censorship and all the mods are just AWFUL
--> @Dr.Franklin
Sure, bit reddit sucks now, Censorship and all the mods are just AWFUL
The subreddits I follow don't break the rules so I still like it.

--> @TheRealNihilist
What subreddit breaks the rules
--> @TheRealNihilist
The fact you think reddit is good shows you have a 2 digit IQ. A board that encourages group think by being populated mostly by leftists who upvote stuff they agree with and down vote stuff they disagree with.

It is seriously retarded and to show the difference in mindset, if you had a conservative version of reddit my guess is that people would upvote stuff they found were best thought out and down vote stuff they thought were just drive by posts. Seriously go on the political page of reddit and post any conservative opinion. No matter how well thought out and argue it will be downvoted because these people are idiots who just upvote stuff they agree with and downvote stuff they disagree with. If you took the downvote button away maybe the site could be improved but it is at this moment just group think and the fact they remove entire boards because of some random SJW shit is also stupid. 
--> @Christen
I posted a few things to a nother thread, with regards to this one so I'll quote myself.

(addressed to Dr.Franklin)
 
I noticed you recently posted to a thread that wanted 8chan and 4chan to become uncensored by search engines despite 8chan regularly having criminals posting on it sharing threats and information. Do you agree that censorship, even for severe bullying, is necessary and good?

That's why Google etc are beginning to completely censor them. DuckDuckGo, the search engine that the guy in that thread was glorifying, is used on TOR Browser to search disgusting things. There is a reason why Google tracks and censors, it's for the good of the people.

It's also to get information to advertise more relevant and enticing adverts to you, but even that is not actually a negative thing. Think about it, why would you want to see adverts that have nothing to do with what you like

I am not anti-VPN at all, I know what privacy is and why encryption of data matters. I don't want my ISP spying on everything I do necessarily, but I also know why too much anonymity is severely dangerous in a world where only the most sinister of us really need that anonymity.
I don't want to advertise but a VPN I highly recommend if you don't have an IPv6 IP address (they are less secure and this VPN refuses to provide with them for now as there's no way to camouflage that you're using a VPN for the VPN) is this one:


A VPN that's less good but was one I was previously loyal to (SurfShark is new to the market, only became known in 2019 or so) was this one:


Both are extremely trustworthy. They genuinely don't fuck around, I have looked into it. They are heavily dedicated to privacy above all else.

HSS has become less good at the whole 'viewing content only available to country X' thing and it has possibly got a webRTC leak (very easy to patch with a chrome extension, and webRTC doesn't leak on Android smartphones) but it's definitely what I'd recommend, aside from NordVPN (owners are shady but it's easily one of the best out there), if you have an IPv6 IP address.

ExpressVPN is fantastic but expensive. If you want to literally have a VPN at all times, even while gaming and to use on the game, I'd recommend only ExpressVPN, even Nord is too slow for that. SurfShark has a whitelister that lets you whitelist the game or specific websites where you want your real IP to be interacted with while having a totally and utterly safe VPN-encrypted-tunnel connection with other programs and websites at the same time. That's why I love it.

ExpressVPN also offers the 'whitelister' thing but calls it split tunneling. I do not know any other VPNs than SurfShark or ExpressVPN that offer that in such a good way.

ExpressVPN is 4-5* the price of SurfShark so...

PureVPN offers an almost as good thing that splits by some apps but not websites and not all apps I think. PureVPN is known to log data that they give out to law enforcement and maybe advertisers too (the latter is not confirmed). They are frauds for saying they have a 'no logs' policy but it's not their fault, they are founded in Pakistan and based out of Hong Kong. They didn't realise that Hong Kong is not an actual haven for such investigations. There were some legal loopholes that meant the country worked with the FBI to blackmail PureVPN into defying their no logs policy on some suspects of cyberstalking etc. I am not blaming the company, the problem is they are still based out of Hong Kong. If you think about it, they can and will do the same to you based on any suspicion later on, it's just not a safe bet. So, I don't consider PureVPN worth mentioning.
--> @RationalMadman
a thread that wanted 8chan and 4chan to become uncensored by search engines despite 8chan regularly having criminals posting on it sharing threats and information.
"8chan regularly having criminals posting on it sharing threats and information." - yeah, this is precisely why I'm against censoring the site, because the site allows anyone, even criminals, to share their knowledge that most strict websites wouldn't allow, so that we can have a basic idea of how they think and act, which can help us form better educated opinions and/or make better life choices. I read the manifestos of both Brenton Tarrant (the one who shot up ChristChurch in New Zealand back in March 2019) and Patrick Crusius (the one who targeted El Paso Texas). It was interesting hearing their sides of the story, about how they believed that their race was slowly being "replaced" and how bad certain countries were, in certain ways. This has given me a decent understanding of how criminals think and feel. If all these people get censored, I won't know anything about their motives or what really drives them to do what they do. All I will end up knowing, if all those people get censored, is that they're all just "pure evil" with devils in their hearts/souls, because that's all the media outlets will say about them, without providing any more details.

Having criminals share their side of the story is vastly different from having some media outlet like WashingtonPost, CBS News, or Vox give a brief, biased, and sugarcoated summary of what happened. These media outlets will simply say that the shooter was a domestic terrorist who is of pure evil and whatnot and leave it at that, without going into much more detail than that https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/06/what-happened-el-paso-is-not-about-mental-health-its-about-evil/ while the criminal himself can write a manifesto and give a more detailed explanation of what was going on in his mind. 

Do you agree that censorship, even for severe bullying, is necessary and good?
To properly answer this, we need to first determine what exactly constitutes "severe bullying". Is it severe bullying if I call somebody a loser? Is it severe bullying if I steal their lunch money? Is it severe bullying if I say something they don't like, or something they don't agree with? Is it severe bullying if I talk bad about someone behind their back?

Censorship is necessary and good in certain instances, such as to prevent illegal activity like doxxing, but where do we draw the line? Do we start doing what North Korea does and heavily censor the internet/media so that very few people know the truth about important things, to make it easier to brainwash them into thinking that Kim Jong Un is their god? https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/kim-jong-un-god-north-korea

DuckDuckGo, the search engine that the guy in that thread was glorifying, is used on TOR Browser to search disgusting things.
So what? If people want to search disgusting things, let them. People are free to search at their own risk if they want to, or maybe those "disgusting things" may only be disgusting to you, but not to someone else. Different people will have different preferences, and they aren't breaking the law by searching for things on the internet as far as I'm aware.

Looking at the thread that you linked, I also see that you said this:

I don't see them on other websites and I see those websites heavily prosecuting or muting/banning them. 8Chan does not, are you still going to defend them?
Like I (and Dr. Franklin) said, sites like 4chan and 8chan are meant to serve as a place where there are much less strict rules/regulations so that people, especially ones with thoughts/ideas that are too scary for the regular nicer sites, can share them freely without worrying about being prosecuted. In a way, there's something for everyone. Nice sites with strict guidelines can exist for those that prefer them, and the much less strict sites can exist for those that prefer them.

There is a reason why Google tracks and censors, it's for the good of the people.
What is "the good of the people" supposed to mean, exactly? Is it supposed to mean doing what North Korea does and twisting/altering history/facts to suit agendas and/or control what they think? If so, then that would be BAD.

People should be taught HOW to think, not WHAT to think. Censoring certain sides of a story allows people to control what others think. Leaving them uncensored allows people to have a better understanding of how to think, based how different people think. If you censor the bad guy's side of the story and only allow people to hear the sugarcoated child-friendly side, you can then control what they think, rather than allowing them to hear both sides in an unbiased manner and then form their own opinions and judgement based on what they heard from each side.

It's also to get information to advertise more relevant and enticing adverts to you, but even that is not actually a negative thing
My problem with online ads is that they slow down browsers and are often intrusive, so I use Adblock Plus, browsers with built-in ad-blocking mechanisms https://www.google.com/search?q=brave+browser and also youtube ad blockers... so yeah, it actually is quite negative.

Anyways, like I said, the absolute best thing that censoring these sites will accomplish is that it would only make some sensitive butthurt people feel better about themselves. Both the ChristChurch and El Paso shootings could have been stopped had there been armed people at those locations, ready to give those shooters a run for their money and give them a taste of their own medicine. That is how you can deter crime, not by censoring sites which are not at fault.
--> @Christen
okay kid let's be explicit here. When I say 'disgusting' I am referring to slave trade, hiring hitmen, child porn and other such things. I do not need to supply proof, the proof is in top secret FBI and CIA research, NSA too of course and the equivalent for other nations. 

Severe bullying and cyberstalking etc, yeah that's a big issue. I don't think you know what these criminals were sharing or doing on 8chan since you're defending them so proudly. Perhaps do a tiny bit of research and enlighten us to what things are being unfairly oppressed.
--> @RationalMadman
When I say 'disgusting' I am referring to slave trade, hiring hitmen, child porn and other such things.
What's wrong with trying to educate yourself about slavery, or about hitmen? Of course people will search for those things. They will also search for things like the Holocaust and other mass murders because they want to learn more about what happened and be educated.

Child porn is illegal thought. Not gonna defend that.

Severe bullying and cyberstalking etc, yeah that's a big issue. I don't think you know what these criminals were sharing or doing on 8chan since you're defending them so proudly.
I know exactly what they were sharing. They were talking about stopping the "invaders" from "replacing" them and whatnot, and linking to their manifestos, which I, and several others, were able to get a hold of and read before it too got deleted or would get deleted. Some people were even cheering them on, saying things like "yeah good luck! don't die lol!"

I'm not defending criminals. I'm defending those sites. They're being censored and shut down, as if that's going to stop crime, or bring all the victims of those shootings back.

enlighten us to what things are being unfairly oppressed.
Again, how can I do even that when they're already being censored and hidden? The best thing you can do is see if you can find the archives/screenshots of what was said, since that is all that's left of it.

They were mostly bragging about how great the shooter was, glorifying them, and cheering them on. Leaving them uncensored allows people to break out of their mindset that the internet is all safe and happy, when in reality, there are crazy people that exist on the internet too.

How can history be properly preserved when things that certain people don't like are being censored, even though they aren't actually breaking the law, simply because they don't like them? How can history be properly preserved when companies like Google and Cloudfare, as well as countries like North Korea and New Zealand, are cherry-picking what to preserve, instead of preserving all of the legal aspects of it, simply because they don't like this or that?
--> @Christen
It is illegal to trade human beings as sex slaves, it is also illegal to hire hitmen you absolute troll. They sell human meat on the dark web, you do not have a clue what DuckDuckGo was invented for or used for, you read 'we keep you private we are your hero' propaganda and think Google is oh so evil. 


please read this and educate yourself.

Then look at this one:


Tell me when you have read and we can then look at more.
--> @RationalMadman
When you said that you were "referring to slave trade, hiring hitmen, child porn and other such things," I thought you were simply talking about researching and educating oneself about these things, and then forming a decent opinion. I didn't know you were talking about people actually looking to trade slaves, hire killers, and share child porn. My bad.

I don't think DuckDuckGo's claim that they keep you private is "propaganda". The thing with privacy is that there are different levels of it. It's not just a black-and-white matter of whether you have privacy or don't. You can have different LEVELS of privacy. You can have no privacy, some privacy, more privacy, a decent amount of privacy, a high amount of privacy, or maybe like absolute privacy. Certain search engines do help with privacy. It's just that they usually still have to make sure they follow laws, and some search engines will give more privacy then others, while other search engine will very rarely give absolute privacy. Also, unlike google, duckduckgo isn't trying to be politically correct and censor 8chan.

I guess duckduckgo doesn't give ENOUGH privacy, and, for some people, duckduckgo isn't what they expect it to be. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/813un1/duckduckgo_is_not_safe/

No, I don't "think Google is oh so evil." I'm just saying that these companies, countries, and media outlets are very misguided in their efforts to censor what they don't like. It doesn't deter crime and It doesn't properly preserve history. It just makes them feel better. It's like putting a band-aid over what they think is the problem instead of addressing the real problem, which is the fact that too many innocent people are unable to defend themselves in the event of an attack that does not involve waiting for police to arrive.

Looking at the "darkweblinks" article that you shared, most of those "18 True Horror & Creepy Deep Web" things aren't actually against the law, nor are they actually that scary. Numbers 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12, and 16 are just what you would expect from trolls, especially number 11 where it says "The site warns everyone of its viewers to not take or save these images the dead girl’s ghost will haunt you forever." Really? I'm gonna be forever haunted by a ghost over some stupid images?? Yeah... a lot of it is clearly not real, and shouldn't be taken seriously. Most of it is just to scare you and give you nightmares. Number 8 even talks about how you get charged 10,000 dollars for.... some random videos? Why would anyone fall for a scam like that? Even number 12 admits that "It could be a hoax or it could be real since the users who got this message closed the deep web immediately." Yeah, it probably is a hoax. They're probably all hoaxes.

If criminals can use the dark web to to illegal things, then why can't the government simply use those same websites to catch them and/or stop them? If terrorists can use the dark web to discuss how they plan to terrorize or shoot up a place, why can the good guys go to those websites to see what they are planning and have a better understanding of how they think, so that maybe they can educate themselves and/or prepare for the threat?

Although I haven't yet read the entirety of the other article that you linked, it does specifically state that:

THOSE IN CHARGE of running 8chan have maintained that because N.T. Technology is a US company and the data center is located in the US, American laws are the only ones applicable to 8chan. A warning at the top of the site telling users of potentially offensive or adult material posted to some boards carries a disclaimer reading, “In the interest of free speech, only content that violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) or other United States laws is deleted.”
In other words, 8chan does give quite a lot of freedom as to what people can say, compared to most other sites. The fact that some criminals will use it to talk about crazy things is merely a side effect of that, and still doesn't justify censoring the entire site. The site (and even 4chan too) also warns users that they can and most likely will run into some content that can be extremely offensive, and that if they continue to browse the site, they are browsing at their own risk. If some sensitive person ignores that warning and is shocked by the offensive stuff that they see, then it's on them, not the site. If anything illegal is posted and/or shared on that site, then that illegal thing should be taken down, not the entire site itself. It just doesn't make sense to punish an entire site and a bunch of innocent people because of some criminals, especially when it completely ignores the real problem regarding crime: that innocents are often too vulnerable and helpless to stop criminals so the police don't have to.
--> @Christen
If you post your entire manifesto before engaging in a terrorist act on a website that refuses to censor or report you to the authorities, that website is scum and deserves to be wiped off of any decent search engine. that is one of many examples of the neglectful nature of 8Chan's administration.

You can say whatever you want, you are defending something very dark and demented. DuckDuckGo when used via TOR Browser, is only used for one purpose; to search disgusting things that no one should legally be allowed to see the results of. Why else are people going to such lengths to hide who they are and to see results Google has taken off? 

As I said, I know when censorship is evil. I recommend either SurfShark or Hotspot Shield if you're in a nation where you really will get severely prosecuted and hurt for accessing important information, news etc. SurfShark has camouflage mode enabled permanently; this sends 'noise' and other things to the ISP to not enable them to realise flat-out that you're using a VPN without heavily investigating you first and even then is very difficult. It's very complex to explain as they have not revealed the 'how' in detail (to prevent China, Iran etc realising how to bypass it).

We live in a world where oppression is a maximum of 4 nations away at most, no matter where you are, whether it's the government doing it or the criminals. I understand why you don't like it but you need to realise, the other side of oppression is thug-rule by criminals. That world is not even an organised hell, it's a chaotic one where absolutely anyone can be harmed at any time for zero reason and that is very undesirable for basically anyone other than a bloodthirsty sociopath.

--> @Christen
I cannot prove to you that every single thing on that link is real without indeed breaking the law to reveal it or at the very least using shady software in a shady way. I have no intention of exposing myself to the dark web, it is a disgusting place that no one should go.

--> @Christen
It does deter crime. You don't know that because you haven't seen how much crime has been reduced thanks to Google and Bing actively refusing to show some things on their searches. They blackmail sites that engage in criminal-friendly activity and platforms into being so anonymous-friendly that the website is open to brutal attacks regularly, from competitors and scorned clients etc. They pit criminal against criminal in the dark web, where no one trusts anyone. It is the best deterrent ever. You don't know how much reduction there's been as you haven't seen how many would-be members and engagers in such activities opted out thanks to that environment being the only one available to ever find or display such website for others to find/receive etc.

--> @Wylted
The fact you think reddit is good shows you have a 2 digit IQ.
The fact that you don't understand why it is so popular goes to show what little you know.
 A board that encourages group think by being populated mostly by leftists who upvote stuff they agree with and down vote stuff they disagree with.
Not a problem with me. 
If you meant far leftists you are completely wrong. ChapoTrapHouse a tankie subreddit was quarantined.
Now if you mean center lefty politics then I am so happy it is the case. Why not right wingers simply make their own forums? Oh wait they have with 4chan and 8chan.
It is seriously retarded and to show the difference in mindset, if you had a conservative version of reddit my guess is that people would upvote stuff they found were best thought out and down vote stuff they thought were just drive by posts.
Unpopularopinions which I argue is a right wing subreddit hasn't been shutdown. I couldn't care less if it was or wasn't shutdown. I most care about my own subreddits that I follow which do a great job at not breaking the rules. Maybe the subreddits you like should try to abide by the rules.
No matter how well thought out and argue it will be downvoted because these people are idiots who just upvote stuff they agree with and downvote stuff they disagree with.
Because it is a conservative opinion. I only see the right winning when they cherrypick data or you know using right wing think tanks to get their message across. Am I supposed to agree with people who are wrong again? I don't think you take that position which is why if people are giving constructive criticism I think is justified. Upvotes and downvotes are given to every user. If you don't like it change subreddit and hope someone else can tolerate your opinions. Don't expect an entire subreddit to change their ways to suit conservatives or conservatives that get downvoted. 
If you took the downvote button away maybe the site could be improved but it is at this moment just group think and the fact they remove entire boards because of some random SJW shit is also stupid. 
A subreddit about neo-liberals are people who support neoliberalism? Who would thought? 
Just to make it clear. If a subreddit is made for a specific purpose. Don't expect it to change to suit your needs. It was designed for something like being a prominent figures fan reddit. I don't expect people to talk about economics nor do I expect a left wing subreddit to tolerate right wing opinions.

If you don't like it so much why don't you leave? If you are not on there why are you complaining to me?  
--> @TheRealNihilist
"The fact that you don't understand why it is so popular goes to show what little you know."

I know precisely why it is popular and stated why in the post you responded to. You really need to work on your reading comprehension. It is a good skill to have, and one of the reasons you don't enjoy reading like your profile states is because you lack reading comprehension skill. I will restate it. It is popular because of the hive mentality people enjoy on it. Just like facebook.

As a response to me bringing up group think which is toxic you state;

"Not a problem with me. "

I know it isn't a problem with you. You don't have a high enough IQ for things like that to bother you. Group think is why 6 million jews are dead, why riots happen, why science and technology is so slow to advance, but it is not a problem for you because you are not a reader and are therefore not informed on practically every subject. Typical of most reddit users.

"Maybe the subreddits you like should try to abide by the rules."

The rules are stupid and get redditts like watchpeopledie taken off, despite the fact it was a reddit that helped remind people of their own mortality so they can live life to it's fullest. It was banned because of the logic "ew gross". Stupid logic by the way, promoted by stupid people. The rules are also inteerpreted in a way to advance an agenda and not interpreted in a neutral way. TheDonald was literally quarintined because the mods did not get to a threatening post in time to delete it before redditt saw it. Any subreddit could have had that happen, but it usually isn't enforced because it would require the mods be awake 24/7 and be able to remove posts before anyone else sees them. a threat posrted on Rpolitics would not have made the reddit shut down it would have just been removed and forgotten a while, even if the mods took a bit of time to get to it.

"Because it is a conservative opinion. I only see the right winning when they cherrypick data or you know using right wing think tanks to get their message across. Am I supposed to agree with people who are wrong again?"

Another show of your stupidity. You are not supposed to thumbs up or thumbs down a post based on whether you agree with it or not. You are supposed to do it based on how well thought out the response is. This statement also points to another one of your flaws. You are deeply biased any data that supports your argument you see as legitimate, any data that doesn't you label it cherry picked. Don't worry that is typical of reddit, but it does not belong on a debate site. We should have only rational and intelligent people here.

"A subreddit about neo-liberals are people who support neoliberalism? Who would thought? "

Not even sure what that statement is about. I make a statement about the company culture of Reddit and you think I am talking about a specific subreddit. I really think you need to work on reading comprehension. I honestly think you struggle with it because you are an npc who just looks at words and does not sub vocalize them while reading. Please start using internal dialogue for most of your day, and start sub vocalizing what you read. You are not worthy of being considered human if you do not have an internal dialogue. Please fix this about yourself.

"If you don't like it so much why don't you leave? If you are not on there why are you complaining to me? "

I am bringing up facts, not complaining. Reddit was founded by a great guy with a good vision but he fucked up the design which causes the current problems. The company was also taken over by incompetent people who are pushing an agenda. I do use the reddits which sparingly use down votes. I use the reddits dedicated to fitness and health and am very selective about which ones I go on because some do have a culture of downvoting people they disagree with, as an attemp to control things they should not be trying to control. I stay away from political sub reddits, or even "fun" ones. I am part of a few programming reddits. I am in a reddit about foster kids and parents and I am in a few that teach about discipline. I would join some on personal finance but those have the same type of downvote culture. I use subreddit because being a part of certain communities helps me to become a better person. I avoid the subreddits that do not avoid the toxity of reddit culture (which is nearly all of them). I would personally like to see reddit get better and think it is capable of doing so, if it removes the down vote. I think another step is people being more responsible picking mods as well. Most of them are immature and will honestly ban you for disagreeing with them or other stupid shit. They are like mini hitlers.

Wylted is a perfect example of what an 8Chan and 4Chan fan is typically like.
The Donald is quratined, Reddit is nazi Germany of the Internet
--> @Wylted
 It is popular because of the hive mentality people enjoy on it. Just like facebook.
Clearly false. Breadtube subreddit dislikes the neoliberal subreddit. If there was such a hive mind there wouldn't be disliking people on the same side of the left and right spectrum yet they are. Not a hive mind if they don't agree and have different levels of information.
Group think is why 6 million jews are dead, why riots happen, why science and technology is so slow to advance, but it is not a problem for you because you are not a reader and are therefore not informed on practically every subject. Typical of most reddit users.
Why is why Trump won and people still support him. What is your point?
The rules are stupid and get redditts like watchpeopledie taken off, despite the fact it was a reddit that helped remind people of their own mortality so they can live life to it's fullest. It was banned because of the logic "ew gross".
Go to a different platform like 4chan.
TheDonald was literally quarintined because the mods did not get to a threatening post in time to delete it before redditt saw it. Any subreddit could have had that happen, but it usually isn't enforced because it would require the mods be awake 24/7 and be able to remove posts before anyone else sees them. a threat posrted on Rpolitics would not have made the reddit shut down it would have just been removed and forgotten a while, even if the mods took a bit of time to get to it.
I should have called it. You are annoyed because a subreddit you like is quarantined and since TheDonald a right leaning subreddit was quarantined you are here complaining. Doubt you would be complaining otherwise.  
Another show of your stupidity. You are not supposed to thumbs up or thumbs down a post based on whether you agree with it or not. You are supposed to do it based on how well thought out the response is.
Who are you again? Reddit representative or someone who is annoyed their subreddit is quarantined?
You are deeply biased any data that supports your argument you see as legitimate, any data that doesn't you label it cherry picked. 
No evidence given. Irrational. Want to provide any or can you not even cherry-pick data to suit your narrative?
We should have only rational and intelligent people here.
If you are calling conservatives rational. Tell me what do most conservatives believe in again? It starts with a G and ends with a d. I'll wait. 
You are not worthy of being considered human if you do not have an internal dialogue. Please fix this about yourself.
Don't address what I said. Ad hom. 
I am bringing up facts, not complaining. Reddit was founded by a great guy with a good vision but he fucked up the design which causes the current problems. The company was also taken over by incompetent people who are pushing an agenda. I do use the reddits which sparingly use down votes. I use the reddits dedicated to fitness and health and am very selective about which ones I go on because some do have a culture of downvoting people they disagree with, as an attemp to control things they should not be trying to control. I stay away from political sub reddits, or even "fun" ones. I am part of a few programming reddits. I am in a reddit about foster kids and parents and I am in a few that teach about discipline. I would join some on personal finance but those have the same type of downvote culture. I use subreddit because being a part of certain communities helps me to become a better person. I avoid the subreddits that do not avoid the toxity of reddit culture (which is nearly all of them). I would personally like to see reddit get better and think it is capable of doing so, if it removes the down vote. I think another step is people being more responsible picking mods as well. Most of them are immature and will honestly ban you for disagreeing with them or other stupid shit. They are like mini hitlers.

1 person doesn't like how something is done. Can't actually move the site into the direction he likes. He complains here. Who would have thought. 
--> @TheRealNihilist
Heading to work and can only respond to a point here and there. I may respond to the rest when I find time but let's start here 

If you are calling conservatives rational. Tell me what do most conservatives believe in again? It starts with a G and ends with a d. I'll wait

I started out as a Christian Democrat then became an atheist Republican and now am A Christian Republican. Spiritual beliefs have nothing to do with whether you are smart about your political leanings or not. It's retarded to think so. My dad was a Democrat, I used to read a lot of Michael Moore books. I hated George Bush (still do). The thing is I actually started researching the topics and then I realized I was wrong. I chose liberalism for emotional reasons but became a conservative because I learned how to use logic. 

I only brought up the Donald as an example of how the policies are unfairly enforced  I also brought up a non political sub reddit and you yourself brought up a leftist reddit that was unfairly quarantined and shut down because of the SHW organization that Reddit is. You didn't address any of my premises. 

You say people can go to 4chan for stuff like watch people die. Which is not o ly untrue but a stupid argument anyway. It is like a restaurant who takes a shit on your hamburger and they defend the unethical action on the basis that you can go to another restaurant.  Wrong is wrong buddy.

When I accuse you of having no internal dialogue you call it an ad hominem but you don't deny it  Which means you are admitting it is true. This is said. You have now come to the realization you have no internal dialogue through me pointing it out and you still aren't working on fixing it. Please fix it. Internal dialogue should be happening almost every hour you are not asleep and be non stop. You are not human until you do this. You are not a conscious entity until you embrace this Helen Keller explains it in her book where she describes being an animal until she learned words and had an internal dialogue. I want you to work on having internal dialogue and using sub vocalization while reading. 

You admitted to accusing all republican arguments as being cherry picked. This is an admittance that you have some huge biases. Accusing facts that disagree with your beliefs as being cherry picked and ones you agree with as being legitimate.  You asked me to prove it, but you have already admitted it, so kind of a retarded request to ask me to prove something you admitted to. 










--> @RationalMadman
You are a perfect example of what a reddit user is like