Locking abuse

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Stop abusing locks and locking good threads
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Can we lock this?


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This is a callout to the mods, allowed, sorry 
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Can this moved to the miscellaneous along with pretty much everything Dr.Franklin creates?
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It's about mods, DA forum worthy
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He provided no constructive criticism instead decided to conflate his ego by adding this to the DA forum section. 

Why is this allowed?


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It isn't for me to judge the merit of content, only whether it violates the site's Code of Conduct. This thread is about moderation, so the main forum is an appropriate venue for it, and the thread does not violate the COC.
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Perhaps you could actually identify some threads which were (a) locked, (b) not violations of the site's COC, and (c) not desired to be locked by the content creator? Providing examples would be far more useful and constructive than complaining about a problem I don't think many others agree exists.
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Record Attempt at most posts is a nice comunity project

BOP is on you for COC violation
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The Record Attempt at Most Posts thread was banned pursuant to a MEEP in which the site voted to prohibit spam threads.

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It is not Spam
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It is not Spam
It definitely is. Posts there are dubiously purposive and the thread invites excessive and repetitive posting. I doubt you could convince even 30% of site users that it isn't spam.

Beyond that, however, given that that very thread was specifically cited as an example of what would be prohibited by the MEEP, it can be accurately said that voters voted to have threads like and including Record Attempt at Most Posts locked. Ergo, locking the thread was authorized by the MEEP even if it doesn't fall under your understanding of spam.
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They were some good conversations on it
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Yo, 
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They were some good conversations on it
That's not responsive to anything I said. And, certainly, nothing precludes you from having good conversations elsewhere on the site.
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What uyou described is not "spam"
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You're repeating your initial position without addressing anything I said rebutting that position. So, you're still not being at all responsive to anything I said. To repeat:

It definitely is [spam]. Posts there are dubiously purposive and the thread invites excessive and repetitive posting. I doubt you could convince even 30% of site users that it isn't spam.

Beyond that, however, given that that very thread was specifically cited as an example of what would be prohibited by the MEEP, it can be accurately said that voters voted to have threads like and including Record Attempt at Most Posts locked. Ergo, locking the thread was authorized by the MEEP even if it doesn't fall under your understanding of spam.

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purposive=spam?
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How about this: At the next MEEP, we hold a vote on whether or not 'record attempt at most posts' should be exempt from the spam rule.
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Dubiously purposive can = spam
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I think we already did vote on that in a way: that thread was specifically cited as one of the threads to be locked. Voters knew that when they voted as they did. I am not ruling it out, but I am not seeing a lot of utility in MEEPing that either.
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Actually, I'd say most voters were ok 'with record attempt at most posts', just not every spam thread. Besides, it doesn't do any harm to ask DART about one particular thread.
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It's something worth considering the next time a MEEP is imminent. However, it is abundantly clear that in the present, site policy requires the thread to be locked.
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Can you at least identify some of the so-called "good threads" and show us where the moderators are "abusing locks"?
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I did