Animals and the Afterlife

Jesus was a "Rock Star" of his era, therefore, I assume that at times He needed a rest from the multitudes and went into town undercover, get it?

 He just wanted to enter the town as a normal person would, what's so bad about that? Huh?  In my preaching, I have had to do the same at times!

Oh, for the record, tell us what chapter and verse in the Bible you used to disparage our Jesus the Christ when He allegedly lied, and disguised Himself going into town, okay?

Oh, for the record, tell us what chapter and verse in the Bible you used to disparage our Jesus the Christ when He allegedly lied, and disguised Himself going into town, okay? When answering this question, it will prevent you from continuing to be a biblical fool again, get it?

The passage that Stephen is referring to is in John 7. The passage indicates Jesus says to the disciples - you go up to the feast. I am not going up to the feast. However, after his brothers had gone up, he went up also, privately. 

The lie is supposedly suggested in the fact that Jesus said he was not going up and then did. 

What are we to make of this? Did Jesus lie? Did Jesus change his mind? Did Jesus deliberately deceive his disciples? 

Interestingly, when people lie generally, it is to protect their own self- interests. Sometimes, it is to protect others. V. 1 clearly states Jesus' life was in danger. V. 3 his disciples are encouraging him to go to Judea. The threat seems genuine.  Jesus tells us his time was not yet come. v. 9 interestingly says he remained in Galilee.

Now with respect, there are some manuscripts which actually have "yet" - after I am not YET going up to the feast. If those manuscripts are correct, then there is an easy fix to this dilemma. Yet, many people will not find that a satisfactory answer. It is clear that Jesus intended to go to the feast. It is also clear that he was not going to put himself into danger by doing it publicly. It is also reasonable to assume he did not want his disciples discouraging him from going up to the feast and putting them in danger as well.  It is further clear that he was going to remain in control of his own mission and preaching. so is this some kind of cloak and dagger situation? Was he in disguise? Probably not. 

The question remains - is this a lie? I say no. It is no more a lie than Rahab telling the soldiers of Jericho that the spies from Israel had gone one way when in fact they were hiding with her. Was that a lie? Many would say "absolutely". Yet the question remains - what is a lie? Is a lie - all deception? For instance, telling  a joke, which is intentionally trying to deceive one to get the right punch line, is that a lie? Or does the intention - of deceiving the hearers to make them laugh, make it not a lie, but something else? If my wife asks me "how do I look darling"? Should I tell the truth always or is it ok to deceive her because my intention is not for me - but for her? 

In other words, is it a lie whenever we deceive someone else whatever the intention and whatever the interests happen to be? Or is there something else going on? 

Here Jesus whatever it is he is doing, is not to grandiose himself. It is not to make a million dollars. It is not to rob someone else of someone else's joy. It is not being at someone's expense.  His motives are pure. Hence I could not in good conscious deem it a lie. 

Tradesecret, the FAKE runaway Christian,

Whoops again!  Oh, oh, a pattern is forming with you, in that you forgot once again to give one of your comical apologetic spins, where this time it is to the end of my post #55!  AGAIN, You don't want to become what you are accusing me of, do you hypocrite?  YOUR QUOTE #47:  "You are the one who ran away in the other topic - because your arguments were shown to be false and shallow."  

To make it easy for you, I have reprinted it below, you can thank me later, okay?

Here, let me try to help you in jettisoning your Devil Speak with this simple proposition, what Jesus said ONCE, He did not mean for His creation to take in many different and contradicting ways. Understood, minion of Satan?

Your form of ungodly Christianity, where you interpret the scriptures in what you need them to say, is the embarrassing reason why there are over 33,000 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS of Christianity, where they all contradict each other, but at the same time, EACH ONE is allegedly correct in their subjective specific doctrines!  Where comically, your Satanic church of being a Hell bound Presbyterian is one of 33,000, but to you

However, after his brothers had gone up, he went up also, privately. 

10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. KJV

Clearly he doesn't just saunter into town here, it clearly makes the point of saying  " not openly"  and inferes that he went up in secret and  in disguise. So you trying imply that this wasn't any type of deceit  and that it was jesus just wanting a little ' me time' by changing the wording from "secret" to private is simply you  attempting to play down the fact that there certainly was something deceitful going on. And something his hand picked and trusted disciples were not privy to.

This is yet another enigmatic, ambiguous half story offered to us by these scriptures that I continuously point and  that believers struggle to explain without altering the text of what is there to be seen and read.

Before you get easily bible slapped again, I was worried about your absence! I am so glad you returned because I am always worried subsequent to me having to biblically correct my weak FAKE Christian opponents. Whereas, they either have to heal from their biblical ignorance and embarrassment after engaging me, or they just run away to try and save face and regroup, then sneak back into DebateArt like nothing has happened to them!  Hmmmm, I wonder which scenario you represent? (Hint, both)

1.  In my post #55, you did not address the last paragraph in question in your subsequent postings numbered 57, 58, 59, and 60. 

2.  Therefore, in my post #61 I called you out upon you running away from this paragraph in my post #55! 

“Your form of ungodly Christianity, where you interpret the scriptures in what you need them to say, is the embarrassing reason why there are over 33,000 DIFFERENT DIVISIONS of Christianity, where they all contradict each other, but at the same time, EACH ONE is allegedly correct in their subjective specific doctrines!  Where comically, your Satanic church of being a Hell bound Presbyterian is one of 33,000, but to you, your church is the correct word of Jesus the Christ over the other 32,999 divisions!  Laughable at best at your expense once again! LOL!!!”