THE GLUT of guns in the USA isnt responsible for crimes ike bicycle theft or home burglary, but

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crime might not be worse in the usa than say the uk or canada, even violent crime, people do get mugged and punched in the face, what is unique about America is the frequency of death and serious injury caused by fire arms, they make serious crimes deadly crimes
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America is also at war with illegal invaders from failed socialist countries promoting violence in inner cities and supplying drugs.
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so you are blaming the guns then? they actually will not self animate fyi
there should be some obvious reasons why violence is increased and escalating, I mean I think it's pretty obvious.  We are greatly desensitized to many things compared to 30,40,50 years ago when it was a much kinder and gentler time.
America is unique in lots of positive and negative ways, that's just the way it is.  Same can be said for any country really.
Wasn't that long ago I read some stats that new gun owners is on the decline while current gun owner are just buying more guns.  Don't recall where I saw it but it sounded logical.
anyway, you can't legislate empathy or morality.  Nor can you legislate evil away.

consider this, profanity at one time was enough to end an argument, it was shocking, offensive, insulting, now, not so much, it's common and lost any effect or impact it once had.  So what's the next logical step?  Physical violence, which again doesn't have the effect or impact it once had, next step, murder.  We are at the zenith of violence.  All that can be done now is increase the numbers (mass murders).
If you look at these things objectively, they are following in a logical and almost predictable order I think.
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we are all illegal
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illegals dont cause crime
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illegals dont cause crime
lol if something you do is "illegal" is it not a crime?  doesn't that make you a......criminal?  This is how laws work and definitions are used in the U.S. I can't speak for other countries.

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no more than jay walking harms me in any way, illegals are as a group far more law abiding than citizens comiong across the border is an infraction not the same thing as mugging or robbing a liquor store it isnt even a speeding ticket
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that's your opinion, not the law I don't believe
we should just enforce immigration laws in the same manner is many other countries do, I'd be happy with that.
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Jaywalking harms the country the same way illegal invaders do. They soak the taxpayer with unnecessary hospital visits when if they respected the law, society would be much better off. 

Plus illegal invasions really piss minorities off when the welfare and good jobs dry up and Americans can't even get a place to live in much of California. Closed hospitals due to illegal invasions are a bit further down the list of tragedies.
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admit defeat
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Lol, me anonymously saying something on a website won't magically allow you rent a U-haul out of California's socialist dystopias for under $2000.00



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@billbatard

here is an overview of some gun control science and policy ideas that you might appreciate 
guneducationalinformation.weebly.com

such as.
-we dont have more crime than the rest of the world, just a lot more people getting shot and killed. you aren't more likely to be mugged here, for instance, but you are more likely to be mugged and shot in the process. again a gun problem. showing it's not just deviants being deviants as some suggest but an emphasis on the gun problem.

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-where there is more gun control, there is less murder. this is the scientific consensus, as shown with the literature review. being a literature review makes this a lot more informing than just being a single study; we see the consensus forming. also included is a link to a poll of scientists but a literature review itself makes the claims even stronger.
-where there are more guns, there is more murder, across geographic regions from localities and larger. this is also a lot more informing because it a literature review of lots of studies. what's more, people are shown not to kill with other weopons instead of guns, as is often argued, because if they did there would be no correlation here.
-women are five times more likely to be killed if their significant other has a gun. this is a practical point in illustration of the guns v murders correlation. same in individual lives as general trends
-you are more likely to be murdered if you have a gun, as well as those close to you
-States with more gun control have fewer mass shootings
-only around two hundred and fifty killings are done in the name of self defense per year. people like to pretend defense is such a huge thing, but the odds of being murdered is is closer to forty times higher. the odds of being shot and not necessarily killed are upwards of four hundred times higher. 
-we have half the worlds guns in the usa but a small percent of the worlds population
-Police are more likely to kill unjustifiably in low gun control and high gun areas due to their increased fear, and police are more likely to be shot themselves in those areas.
-Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. 
-High school kids in the USA are eighty two times more likely to be shot than the same kids in other developed countries.
-it is claimed that most murders are gang related, but this looks to be factually incorrect in the link. even if higher numbers floating around on the internet are true, our murder problem still there if you take out the gang murders from consideration. the numbers here can be arrived at with basic math. 
-this really isn't just a mental health problem. we don't have more people with mental health problems than other countries.... just more people with guns.  the study controls for mental health factors v other factors. 
-we dont have more crime than the rest of the world, just a lot more people getting shot and killed. you aren't more likely to be mugged here, for instance, but you are more likely to be mugged and shot in the process. again a gun problem. showing it's not just deviants being deviants as some suggest but an emphasis on the gun problem.
-You can tell this is a gun problem, not just a bad person problem as the gun lobby says, also by comparing non-gun homicides of similar countries as the USA, and then adding guns to the mix: non-gun homicides are slightly on the higher side but within normal range, while gun homicides go wildly higher. If this was a bad person problem at its core, there would be a wildly higher amount of non-gun homicides as well, but that's not the case. Included is an article describing this phenomenon and a link with a picture. 
-people like to say assault rifles are not that dangerous, because there are only a few hundred murders with them per year out of only around ten or so thousand of gun murders. the thing is though, the percent chance an assault rifle will be used to kill someone is significantly higher than the chance other guns will be used to kill someone. 

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You're so frikken old with your ancient gun control arguments.

China has less crime and fewer guns and fewer gun deaths, much less than Australia per capita, but that's no reason to become China, or any other less free country people want to immigrate away from.
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once you guys can come up with a coherent argument against all that solid gun control science i just posted, let me know
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I just did. It's not worth becoming China where people are dying to leave.
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our gun situation is one thing that makes america worse than other countries. look at all the statistics. it's not an either or situation where if we improve the problems we become communist china. 
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Immigration statistics are the ONLY measure of what country is better than others.
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i dont disagree necessarily. i'm just saying we would do better by improving the gun situation, and doing so doesn't make us into communists or whatever. 
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foreigners probably should fear coming here to visit more than going to most other places, because our murder rate is so high
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There are worse things than the occasional murder. Harsh but true.
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Plus if you are an immigrant of color and can get over your racism of whites and don't mind living in a white community, your chances of being killed are far far lower than if you join a cultural ghetto.
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I hear North Korea has a lower gun murder rate.  
these anti 2a arguments are redundant and have been countered so many times, there's just nothing new.
Remove the murders from these shit hole cities and the rate is actually pretty low.
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The reason we have a large amount of gun violence is because we have a large amount of gangs (33,000). https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/gangs

92% of gang homicides are committed with guns https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/gun-violence-america



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That mixed with the fact that less than 1/5 of gun crime is committed by legal gun owners shows we have a gun trafficking problem. 


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I was just going to post something similar.
2017  gun deaths 39,773
Sixty percent of gun deaths last year were self-inflicted. While the rate of gun homicides has fluctuated over the last decade, the rate of gun suicides has steadily increased.
39773 x 60% =    23864       self inflicted gun deaths
39773 - 23864 = 15909 non self inflicted gun deaths.

Chicago gun murders 2017          653
Washington D.C.                          116
Detroit                                           267

well you get the point, take the top 10 https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/1-detroit/#5fbf5dff69d9 out of the 15909 and the actual number is much smaller.
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first of all that isnt true and second of all where do you thin al those ilegal guns come from? you!
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Arbitrarily chopping out swathes of data is incredibly dishonest. 

For instance, suicide rates have been linked to ease of accessibility to lethal methods of suicide. So it's not as simple as saying that gun suicide victims would've commit suicide with another method and therefore they are irrelevant to gun deaths.

And of course, randomly chopping out the top 10 most dangerous cities is just stupid. You could do the same for every other country and you'd get a result that is totally divorced from reality.

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Country:            Gun Ownership per capita     |Total Guns|      Suicide Rate
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Japan:                                                    .3      |    377,000|  14.3
                                                                        |                 |   
United States:                                    120.5    |393,347,000 |     13.7         



We have a per capita gun ownership rate over 400x larger than Japan, yet their suicide rate is higher. Hmmmm. Almost like they just use other methods.