which conservatives were right in the LGBT civil rights supreme court case?

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the civil rights act prohibits discriminating on the basis of sex. so you can't be fired if you are female. the liberals of the court and two conservatives, said that 'sex' is vague enough in the statute to include transexuals too, since they are defined based on 'sex'. and, the text of the law says you can't discriminate "because of sex", so the that wing of the court also said the rest of the LGBTQ gang, including gays, are also protected, i guess cause they have sex with who they choose. with all this said, the rest of the conservatives said that the court should have stuck with 'ordinary meaning' in interpreting the statute, not literal meaning. that's a compelling point, cause ordinary people write and read laws, and perhaps that should be the basis of interpretation. a policy point in favor of the progressives is that the law could have been more specific, and since most people think it's wrong to discriminate against gays, maybe we should afford them some protection too, give them the benefit of the doubt.  i know conservatives are willing to look at original meaning when the text is not clear.... so is the text not clear here? you could argue it is, or it isn't, and your policy preferences will surely color your choice. 

what do you think and why? 
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Which case are you referring to?

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I kinda think they were both right. Gays should have the same protections as women, but the SCOTUS really needs to have Congress do these changes to the law.
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Here’s a controversial statement for both sides of the aisle: 
Gender and skin tone should not be used to consider one’s eligibility for a job.

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but the SCOTUS really needs to have Congress do these changes to the law.
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I personally don’t care if you’re gay bi or les. What you do in your house is on you. Trans on the other hand to me is a problem. Sex and gender should be the same think
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I personally don’t care if you’re gay bi or les. What you do in your house is on you. Trans on the other hand to me is a problem.
So...

You don't care about who they sleep with, but you do care about what they think about themselves and/or what they do with their bodies. OK then...
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Gender = Sociological
Sex = Biological

Change my mind
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You don't care about who they sleep with, but you do care about what they think about themselves and/or what they do with their bodies.
They can think what they want. Doesn’t make them that.
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Gender = Sociological
Sex = Biological

Change my mind
There are only 2 genders
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They can think what they want. Doesn’t make them that.
Does it affect you personally?

There are only 2 genders
Wrong.

And if we go with your definition of gender:

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Does it affect you personally?
Sure, I’m im forced to call you ma’am when you’re sir.

Wrong.

And if we go with your definition of gender:
Still wrong
an individual having reproductive organs or external sexual characteristics of both male and female.
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Sure, I’m im forced to call you ma’am when you’re sir.
How much does that affect you personally?

an individual having reproductive organs or external sexual characteristics of both male and female.
So according to your dichotomous view on sex/gender, are they male or female? 
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How much does that affect you personally?
Transgender people forcing me to say they’re dudes instead of gals.

So according to your dichotomous view on sex/gender, are they male or female?
Depends. Do they have XX or XY? Plus intersex people aren’t transgender.
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Gender Dysphoria is very closely related to schizophrenia.
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Gender Dysphoria is very closely related to schizophrenia.
I never said trans people aren’t people. I just think they need help 🤷‍♂️
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Transgender people forcing me to say they’re dudes instead of gals.
So calling others what they want to be called and acknowledging their self-identity affects you personally? Ok bimbo.

Depends. Do they have XX or XY?
What if they don't have either?

Plus intersex people aren’t transgender.
We're not talking about transgender now. We're talking about your claim that there are only 2 genders.

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Gender Dysphoria is very closely related to schizophrenia.

I never said trans people aren’t people. I just think they need help 🤷‍♂️
Yup I guess we should lock them up into mental asylums ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Gender Dysphoria is very closely related to schizophrenia.
Got any scientific papers to back you up there bud?

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So calling others what they want to be called and acknowledging their self-identity affects you personally? Ok bimbo.
Sure it does. If I get in trouble for my belief that sex is gender, then it does affect me and personally.

What if they don't have either?
Genetic mutations have nothing to do with gender dysphoria and transgenderism.

We're not talking about transgender now. We're talking about your claim that there are only 2 genders.
Then we digress from the topic. Transgender inherently means there are only two genders just like bisexual does.  I choose to believe that sex and gender are the same thing. I’m talking about trans people who are biologically male or female.
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I’m not gonna argue this with you. We fundamentally differ in our beliefs.
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Sure it does. If I get in trouble for my belief that sex is gender, then it does affect me and personally.
If someone was born with the name Kelly, but then changed their name to Jordan, would you still insist on calling them Kelly?

Genetic mutations have nothing to do with gender dysphoria and transgenderism.
You said there are two genders, male and female. So how would you classify the people who don't have either XX or XY?

Then we digress from the topic. I’m talking about trans people who are biologically male or female. Transgender inherently means there are only two genders just like bisexual does.
In which definition of "transgender" does it say this?

I choose to believe that sex and gender are the same thing.
And some people choose to believe that vaccines cause autism. Your point is?

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I’m not gonna argue this with you. We fundamentally differ in our beliefs.
Yup, I guess there's no middle ground whatsoever. Oh well...

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They are both identity disorders.

Dysphoria isn't a healthy condition.
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And how do you suppose we "cure" them of their "disorder"?
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If someone was born with the name Kelly, but then changed their name to Jordan, would you still insist on calling them Kelly?
False equivalency. You can’t change your biology.

You said there are two genders, male and female. So how would you classify the people who don't have either XX or XY?
Genetalia combined with doctor’s and parents take.

In which definition of "transgender" does it say this?
Male to female or female to male? You’re not going from female to worm right?

And some people choose to believe that vaccines cause autism. Your point is?
Do they get penalized for it? I don’t think so.

Edit: I just read your last post. You’re welcome to call em whatever you want. Just don’t make me. There can’t be middle ground because it doesn’t exist. Have a nice day
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False equivalency. You can’t change your biology.

Genetalia combined with doctor’s and parents take.
  1. They often have some secondary sex characteristics, but not others.
  2. Doctors and parents have misattributed gender (and changed their minds as time passed) before.
Male to female or female to male? You’re not going from female to worm right?

Do they get penalized for it? I don’t think so.

Edit: I just read your last post. You’re welcome to call em whatever you want. Just don’t make me. There can’t be middle ground because it doesn’t exist. Have a nice day
Fair enough. I bid you farewell.

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False equivalency. You can’t change your biology.

You can surgically remove all the limbs your body has and it doesn't change the DNA.
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