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Aw. Wish I could do that with my laptop.


Try that 

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My phone uses that same Unicode keyboard in the chrome browser on my phone, so theoretically that should allow someone to use them in that browser 🤔
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*hypothetically
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Rats, I don't use Chrome. Is there a Firefox version?
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There is plenty more if you just google "mozilla  emoji keyboard" might work, might not 🏃


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Goody. I'll give it a try. 🤔
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BUDDA YOU'RE AWESOME.

And now I apologize for sidetracking Ev's thread.
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Armed people (not police) protect many things including celebrities, politicians, armored bank cars, banks and certain stores.  If it's good enough for them.......
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The insanity in this thread boggles the mind.
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I don't know where you are from, but one of the more recent school shootings in Maryland was relinquished rather quickly by someone armed. I believe it was an officer but the point is that having protection could prevent further damage by a long shot. I think though having access to fire arms both outside and inside would be better. It just so happened the shooter was outside and there was an officer but had the shooter been inside the school there could have been serious consequences. 
I am from the rural United States.

I prefer the idea of hiring more guards or veterans, as Budda mentioned. Let teachers be teachers.
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If a scientist was in charge we'd select 1000 schools at random to arm the teachers and another 1000 schools to hire guards.   At the end of, say, 2 years we'd have some facts to go on.
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What about the control group.
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There more than 2000 schools! 

Also the 'do nothing' approach has been tested for the last 20 odd years and we know it ends up with a school shooting every week on average.


Or send your kids to school in the UK - no school shootings at all for more than 20 years...

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Are you saying every school that isn't part of the two groups in the experiment would be the control group?
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@keithprosser
ah the 'do nothing approach' government's answer to many many things.  They don't wish to relinquish control to any outside group that probably has many good answers, but again that would be giving up control which government is antithetical to.  The school in Florida went with id's and clear backpacks, remember the push back against that?  I believe there is a school perhaps a few in Texas where teachers are armed but non lethal rounds.  Since the gun doesn't have to be hidden for carrying purposes they don't need to be limited by size.  Arming them with guns that fire non lethal rounds seems like a good idea.  While they may not be as effective in every scenerio, it's better than nothing imo.  This should also go along with id's and building controls.
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I don't see a problem with that... the issue is to find out what works and what doesn't.   One thing that keeps cropping up is 'unintended consequences'.   Perhaps arming teachers would result in several accidental deaths or teachers using shootingand pistol-whipping intead of giving lines or detention for unruly students....

The public tend to like politicians who promise quick fixes.  A politician that says 'I'm going to to fix school shooting by arming teachers' as more ready appeal than a politician who say 'I don't know how to fix school shootings - we need to do a study'.

What is the objective anyway?  Is it is deter attacks from happening i the first place or minimise deaths when they do?  Or is it simply so shift attacks away from schools and onto other places? 

School shootings are a problem in the US (as they are not anywhere else).  I am suspicious of quick-fixes and I don't think important policies should be decided on rhetoric.

Instead of arguing what to do, do all of them in a controlled, sensible and rational way and then we will know.  It is almost 20 years on from Columbine (April 1999) and we're still arguing.  Madness.


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Let the teachers if they want to carry. You have to get a carry permit in most places anyway.
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I see no reason why not, unless some parents started bitching about it and turned it into a liability headache for the school. So long as the teacher is a qualified carrier, it could even avert disaster. But I think many teachers are not going to want a gun brought into their classroom, a choice I would also have to respect.
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I see no reason why not, unless some parents started bitching about it and turned it into a liability headache for the school. So long as the teacher is a qualified carrier, it could even avert disaster. But I think many teachers are not going to want a gun brought into their classroom, a choice I would also have to respect. 

Probably not. In area I work probation has the option to carry or not. Of the 2 of the 7 carry. They don't like coming across as law enforcement and most probationers are not aggressive. When you have one that might be you just see them with another officer. It think it would depend on how safe the teacher feels. Some might love to and those probably carry already. 

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@Castin
That's cool, it's not for ALL teachers, only for those that wish to be a part of protecting their students. I thought the idea of rubber bullets someone mentioned was a great idea personally.