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I'm a highly educated rich white man with a smoking hot girlfriend. And hung. 
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Said girlfriend actually just reminded me Valentine's day is coming up and now I gotta figure out some shit. The effort. 
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Ya, so what, is what I say to that. Is that something  RM would ban or censor.
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the waffle house has found it's new host
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Well this is disappointing, though not unexpected.
My 2nd brother got out of jail recently,
Had spoken while in there, that he wants to get off drugs,
First time he's said that.
So my mother, eldest brother, and I, offered him a place to live, if he did not use drugs, and would piss in a cup.

Went alright for about a week,
Though the effects of past drug use are still upon him,
Influencing his ideas, mannerisms, as he presumably did no drugs in jail for a while,
But 'years of use and their effect. . .
Still he did not use any drugs for a week while with us.

His teeth are a wreck from drug use,
One of the ways we've been trying to help, is set him up with a dentist,
But it's a long wait, antibiotics he has now,
But extraction, dentures, a time away.

But this morning I am awoken by my eldest brother,
He and my mother had found my 2nd brother on the couch, seemingly in pain, making noises,
They found an aerosol of Dr Clean,
When they called the number on the can, my brother became upset, violent, threatening, thought they were calling the cops,
Stated a desire to punch my eldest brother in the face, threatened with a golf club, broke a shelf, then broke the club,
Left the house when they began calling the cops.

34 degrees outside,
It's six in the morning, he's not come back yet.
. . .

And now he has come back,
Angry, demanding to be let in,
Saying it is our fault for calling the police,
Saying he is honest, straightforward, has done nothing wrong,
First demands all his stuff so he can just go before the police arrive again,
Then as we are packing his stuff, he, still outside, keeps demanding what he did wrong,
Eventually my mother and eldest brother decide on getting him a motel, for a day or two,
Reasoning it will give all more time to think, cool down, though they expect
I'll pay a third towards the price,
And there he is, for a day or two, looks like.
. . .

Three options have been decided upon, by my mother, eldest brother and I.
One
He can admit his fault, in using, in destruction, in threatening, go to weekly therapy,
And we'll try again.

Two,
He goes to rehab, and we're willing to let him stay with us, try again, under the same conditions as option one.

Three,
We'll drive him and his stuff back to our hometown, where he lived before coming to our house,
We'll buy him a tent, and keep trying to help him, but from a distance,
Though still, if he just goes to rehab, therapy, we'll try again.


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There's a guy where I work that has the same problem with his son. Drug use. One of two things will happen in the future.  Your brother will clean up his act and quit using drugs or he will either die, be killed, or spend the rest of his life in jail for killing someone else.  You cant help someone who doesn't want help, they will suck the life out of you and take you down with them. You tell him to quit using drugs or don't ever show his face again. 
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An unfortunate truth,
And I expect he'll refuse to admit any fault or responsibility in this last incident,
Refuse our requirements, end up back in his hometown.

A horse to water,
Yet hope and effort, we're willing, if only he will be.
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I have a birthmark on my taint. 
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I suppose for people being depressed by bad memories,
It'd be a help to keep in mind their good memories,
Worthy actions, deeds,
Moments of happiness, joy in life,
Easy they are forgotten at times,
Blending in, little notice taken for granted,
Whilst the bad come as a threat,
Demand brain space and attention.

. . .

Though I've spoken of it before,
I like reminding myself of it,
A coworker once gave me a smoky black quartz as a gift,
I think of it as amusing, and thought provoking,
My coworker said it would keep bad luck away, or attract it away from me into the crystal or something,
But the idea of bad situations being my own doing, was a fun thought,
Not 'quite true of course,
Bad and chances comes as it comes,

Argument 'against that being Stoicism,
How 'we respond, 'choose to feel,
Certainly there 'is a degree of control we have,
Should we keep our mindfulness up,
A degree of influence chosen 'perspectives have,
In enduring.

. . .

I recall an atheist once,
Working through Alcohol Anonymous's steps,
Got stuck up on the Deity part,
All I could encourage was he take his dreams, goals, people he loved, as his Deity,
His 'reason, utmost value.

. . .

I find that I hate evil fiction myself,
Tales of suffering, woe, humiliation, dehumanization, outside the norm, destruction, break of character, home, people, and right,
It. . .Fills me with an outrage,
Silly perhaps, fiction,
But fiction is oft meant 'to draw one in, give a 'view, a lie true illusion,

I don't think it's right to be materialized into print,
I don't think it's right to be materialized within people's minds.

Heh, thought police.
But I hardly think this unordinary of me.

And yet,
It's one of the causes of terror within me,
As a Nihilist, a Materialist, Atheist,
Seeing no safety net,
And 'anything possible, never safety, never justice, ahhh it's one of those days for me, seems,
Where I get a slight mood from some evil bit of fiction,
But why don't I just stop reading it, alas.
. . .
The Christian at least, can believe in some salvation after,
That one need not be rewarded on Earth,
But in a general sense of game theory,
No, rather rewarded by Truth, by a Righteous Life, in. . . as I said, salvation,
'Meaning, purpose, unending to endure.
Well, some theists. . .
. . .

Nor can I salve myself with rage and action against fiction's villains,
Besides their nonexistence,
Hatred 'itself, I view as a wrong,
Due to an ideal of 'saving/converting others. rather than destroying them,
Believing that people are never 'without good,
Though where came this belief in me?

It's not in my 'realistic view,
Rather I believe in nothing,
Yet 'yearn for something,
The mutability and lack of solid disorients me.
. . . 
Ahh, it's one of those days,
But pass on, pass on,
So the ring says,
So memory, experience, endure  till death, doing one's best,
Well, maybe not best, but hanging in.
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Driving in snow isn't great.
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Why's that?
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Slippery. Makes the car harder to control. Would be fun if there was no risk of sliding into a ditch, tree or other car.
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Ah, one 'does often see cars sliding in videos.

@NoOneInParticular
I wonder how long cars will be our main mode of individual human transport.
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My dad may have been an abusive, alcoholic piece of shit, but he was also incredibly smart. 

I remember one time he punished me by making me solve a crime. The Susan Smith case had just went into the news. I worked that case for like 12 hours a day. 

Like 7 days after I was working on it, he comes to me and asks

"Boy you solve that case yet"

I respond

"I mean it sounds like some random black guys kidnapped her kids"

He responds to me

"That's what you get from 12 hours of work a day, are you some kind of retard?"

I stayed silent so he wouldn't punch me.

"She obviously killed her own kids, get your shit together"

Of course a few days later the country was shocked to find out Susan Smith murdered her own children and just tried to make up some bullshit kidnapping story. 


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Well he chose option one, the day after,
Though it was a bit forced I'm thinking,
He talked with my mom a while, before eventually reading and writing yes, to various terms.
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I'm really sorry you're struggling with that, but it's very good y'all are trying to work with your brother. I wish the best for your family, both in your brother's recovery and in the rest of your family's safety. 
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Thank you, it's appreciated.

I'm feeling better about it now,
Though I was a fair bit upset the day he relapsed within a week.
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I sometimes think the most moral action,
Would be to create a race of unsentient, unthinking, lifeless robots,
To travel all of existence, sterilizing all life they find.

I suppose this pops to mind,
Due to animal rights being discussed elsewhere,
Also a thread someone posted about suing their parents for being born, I think,
An individual who does not exist can not be asked to consent to existence.

Lot of people seem to think it right to abort mentally challenged fetuses, (Given that they claim they are not human/people) (Not that I think that)
Well,
One would assume animals are mentally challenged comparatively to humans,
Life can be rough in the wild, get eaten alive,
And even in captivity, pretty short lifespan, lot of animals.

. . .

Course, such supposes that existence is as I 'suspect/view it, but do not know it is,

Or that AI could be created advanced enough without gaining intelligence,

Also being a moral nihilist, well, fulfills this and that moral value, but not that and this moral value.
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Or that AI could be created advanced enough without gaining intelligence.
Sounds sort of contradictory in a way.

As I see it, any data processing device that cannot gain intelligence is just a programmed data processing device and therefore not intelligent per se.


Similarly the term "moral nihilist" also sounds a tad contradictory.

As I see it, if there is no meaning to anything then morality is irrelevant.

To be moral is to attribute value to the object of your moral purpose.
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Consciousness has been on my mind since a conversation we had, X time ago, 'somewhat recently.

I'm still not sure how to account for it,
Throws my materialism a 'bit out of joint,
An 'annoying number of Google tabs open, 

Having to do with the mind, soul, brain, individuality, free will, philosophy, mind body, so on, phrased a number of different ways.

I've yet to hear of an AI that seems more than a simple algorithm,
But I'm not well versed in the subject.

. . .

'Gain intelligence. . .
Hm, feral humans. . (Another tab to open)
. . .

There 'is the argument that certain forms of life are not intelligent,
Whether different animals than humans,
Or humans in early development, such as a fetus,
Yet 'something changes in them, that intelligence, consciousness, presents itself.

. . .

Moral Nihilist,
Well, I don't mean to say that I am moral,
But that I discount objective morality,
May be redundant.

It may be that morality is irrelevant,
. . .
But I find it difficult to help caring,
. . .
Suppose I put it like this,
Some obsessive compulsive individual,
Sees that a picture on the wall is at a tilt,
It pulls on their mind, nerves,
They fix it.

For me, all this morality is the importance of that picture,
But I find it difficult to but to care, in 'some fashion.

I use a tilted picture as an example, because I see it as trivial,
Practically speaking,
Than matters we 'usually consider moral.

One can say that. . . Those moral leanings we have, have meaning because of how they, interact with us, matter, influence us,
That we attribute value to them,
But it's an illusion, an awful one at that, in our realization of the illusion.
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I would suggest that intelligence is the ability to acquire, store, consider and re-appropriate data.

And any device, whether it be organic or otherwise will begin empty of knowledge.

Albeit, the organic contains inbuilt genetic data, which stimulates and purposes the mass.

Some might argue that inbuilt or sub-conscious data could be controlled by the conscious mind, and it's just  that we have somewhere along the line lost the ability to do so.

But I would disagree. We are variously programmed to die, and there is nothing we can do as individuals to affect that inbuilt decision.

Genetic therapy is reliant upon third party conscious intelligence and intervention. And aging is still inevitable no matter how we might consciously and physically attempt to subvert the process of decline.


So, morality is no more than variously considered and variously re-appropriated data. What we are taught or learn through sensory observation and the acquisition of incoming data, and there are many and varied socio- environmental factors that will affect our moral considerations and conclusions. Previously it would have been our immediate environment and social collective that was our primary conditioner, and it still is up to a point, especially when we are undergoing our initial stages of conscious data acquisition. But nowadays we must also consider the intervention of electronic data input from a wider intelligence source.

I would therefore suggest that morality is just a label we apply to our conditioned and sometimes modified patterns of consciously inspired behaviour. With particular regard to how we interact with our external environment. Because we can and do.


Just rambling on a Sunday morning,

Trawling thorough my conscious database.

In an attempt to put together,

An appreciable narrative,

For Lemming.

Though tilted pictures are irksome,

For that brief moment of awareness.

O.C.D.

Or not to be.

That is the question.

Inbuilt or acquired?

That and sexuality of course,

Other than procreational drive.

Procreation and it's conscious methodology,

Always a moral dilemma.


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Hm,
I'd suppose and AI can acquire, store, consider, re-appropriate,
Example,
AI is designed to avoid danger,
And given various sensory devices, such as temperature, visual, damage to self,
It encounters something red, temperature has increased, self has melted a bit, (Fire)
It now avoids red,
It encounters something red despite attempts to avoid, temperature does not increase, self is not melting, (Red flower)
It now associates temperature of X levels with danger.

I argue this is not sentience, consciousness, life as we generally know it.
But then, I'm not sure 'quite where sentience and consciousness 'are.
Even many mentally challenged humans, society attribute sentience, consciousness, I think.
Though some individuals do not support animal rights, chimps, dolphins,
They do support human rights.

. . .

Sub-conscious data. . .
Hm, I am unsure of your definition of sub-conscious,
By definition, once we are aware of something, does it not become data we are conscious of?
I suppose one could try to plan for unforeseen influencers, that they never become aware of, yet hinder or help.

Of data people sometimes call unconscious,
I'd suggest humanity has become aware of many,
Whether in self contemplation or recorded scientific study.

. . .

Programmed to die,
Well, 'might be the nature of existence/universe/material, I'm unsure,
Certainly no one has 'yet discovered a philosophers stone, life elixir,
Though science has increased life expectancy at large, by solving some issues,
Still, what human lives to 200 years?
. . .
There 'are long lived animals that live longer than humans,
So one can suppose humans might be bred to live longer,
Perhaps genetic or cyborg engineering upon the self could also extend,

Though there is still a problem,
Forgetting.
By this I mean memory,
There is a video game called Kenshi, in it are some AI robots,
They need to eventually 'reset themselves to their factory setting start eventually,
Or they start to go crazy,
Whether this is due to too much information or decay of information, I cannot say,
But even of computers, I have not seen any immortal.
Rambling a bit here.
. . .

I think that's a workable definition of morality,
But it still runs into the problem of humans,
Our belief in meaning, importance,
Though bodily reflexes may act,
Or the conscious mind look away,
To 'lack that meaning, truth, ought. Hurts, perhaps.


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I wonder if anyone's intentionally recorded an album while they had a cold, all the coughing giving them a timbre.
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A Zedku for Lemming.


Sore throat,

Blocked nose,

Husky voice,

Nasal prose.


Phlegmy chest,

Not the best,

Aching head,

Go to bed.


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Ooh, nice, I like that one.
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I maintain my view that guns in America are not the problem.
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I 'do type in a specific way,
Write, restructure,
Separate here, there,
A comma, An apostrophe.

This above I notice, a shape emerges.
But I've no 'rules in mind, set stone,
Though unconscious remembrance, reflex perhaps.

I 'do notice alliteration here,
But am unsure if that be all, or if too, shape, syllable, word usage,
What 'exact people see, I'm not sure.
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How's your brother doing?
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He's doing okay,
Still has odd memories and thoughts at times,
Cheerful and good natured most of the time, but I think he's depressed about where he is in life.

He gets urine tested ever X days, I forget how many,
No incidents since the air duster,
Recently applied for some jobs,


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That's great Lemming, I'm keeping your family in my prayers.

When you said he relapsed after a week I didn't know if it was a single incident, or he went back.

Revovery is a complex process, and relapses are a part of the process, sounds like he's making good progress, congrats.

Do you keep Narcan handy, you should keep it around, 55% of relapses are an overdoses because of reduced tolerance.  

Anyway, good luck.