Systemic racism exists

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I will provide my usual argument
Systemic racism definition---"Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded through laws and regulations within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues." First off statistics indicate 61-80% of black overrepresentation in prisons can be explained by higher black crime rates, with the unexplained portion largely attributable to racial bias.
Remember - the factors which lead to disproportionate criminality amongst black Americans are also in large part a product of racial bias. Underfunded public programs, redlining, generational poverty, bad schooling, and myriad other factors which influence criminality can also be traced to racial bias.----https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-
Extensive document on racial biases in our criminal justice system---https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf

NOW onto the topic of biases in stops searches and arrests
While White & Black Americans admit to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are VASTLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.
In 2002, Black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses at TEN TIMES the rate of White Americans.
Today, Blacks are 3.7x as likely to be arrested for a marijuana offense as Whites, despite similar usage.
97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration.

Militarization fails to enhance police safety or reduce crime but may harm police reputation
Police militarization does not lead to a decrease in crimes committed or officer injuries, may actually increase both.
Police militarization (including the adoption of SWAT teams) decreases public trust in police, which may contribute to increases in crime.
Militarized police are disproportionately deployed in African American communities, even when accounting for crime rates.


This ACLU report reviews 5 months’ of data from DC police stops & searches by race and outcome.
The black population of DC is 25% greater than the white population, but black people were 410% more likely to be stopped by the police than white people
This disparity increases to 1465% for stops which led to no warning, ticket or arrest and 3695% for searches which led to no warning, ticket or arrest.
This data indicates the disproportionate stopping and searching of blacks in the DC area extended massively beyond any disproportionate rate of criminality.


Between 2011 and 2015, black drivers in Nashville’s Davidson County were pulled over at a rate of 1,122 stops per 1,000 drivers — so on average, more than once per black driver.
Black drivers were also searched at twice the rate of white drivers, though — as in other jurisdictions — searches of white drivers were more likely to turn up contraband.


Racial Disparity in Federal Criminal Sentences ---- Examination of federal data indicates Black Americans spend about 10% more time in prison when compared to comparable Whites who commit the same crimes.
Additionally, Black arrestees are 75% more likely to be charged with a crime carrying a mandatory minimum sentence.
Prosecutors contribute massively to this undeniable racial bias.



Government aggregate of data on plea and charge bargaining.
“Studies that assess the effects of race find that blacks are less likely to receive a reduced charge compared with whites.”
“Studies have generally found a relationship between race and whether or not a defendant receives a reduced charge.”
“The majority of research on race and sentencing outcomes shows that blacks are less likely than whites to receive reduced pleas.“
In short, collected data strongly indicates a racial bias against blacks with regards to sentencing and plea bargains.


Implicit Bias-----Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
Students rated pictures of light-skinned inmates as more trustworthy when they preceded pictures of dark-skinned inmates.
Most study participants (79.9%) were white, but the study predicted that this wasn’t a major factor - “When controlling for race, no statistically significant result was found. This suggests that each race, White and non-White, were consistent in their rating outcomes. Prior research has found similar results, where Whites and light-skinned Blacks are likely to share similar attitudes towards darker-skinned Blacks”



Black Boys Viewed as Older, Less Innocent Than Whites, Research Finds
Students and police officers participated in tests to determine levels of racial bias and perception of innocence.
Black boys as young as 10 are more likely to be considered criminal or untrustworthy, and more likely to face police violence.
Police officers were tested on dehumanization of blacks by comparing people of different races to animal groups. Police who engaged in higher levels of dehumanization were more likely to use violence against black children.

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The military has the ASVAB, essentially an IQ test.
Different races in America, appear to score at different levels,
'Personally, I'd ascribe this to culture, history, living conditions, environmental. 'Not race.

But assumedly, some races would have an easier time entering the military than others, or 'qualifying for higher IQ jobs.
'Personally, I'd rather look at this on an individual basis, That individuals merits, matter, not their race.
That the military 'system isn't racist.

But a person focused on 'differences in representation, would say, the military is racist? I'd assume.
Am I wrong?

Same problem with women in the military, must we lower standards, safety, so that women are equally represented in every piece of it?
Or perhaps we need to divert funds to training women and encouraging them to enter the military, so they have 'equal participation?
Though that 'still wouldn't work.
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Also if a person from a another country or his or her second language is english they would probably score lower which doesn't mean they are dumber.
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Have you done more research on tests?

"Anyways i think im gonna come back to this topic after doing some more research" - Drlebronski
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I little bit more yea
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Well, my reasoning has stayed the same.

Grades, are just another method in defining an individual.
A mental handicapped, is going to have difficulty passing the minimum score, thus at it's 'minimum use, an IQ test proves itself in value.

Conscientiousness,
I'd argue that people who score higher grades and take the time to study, Are on the whole, More conscientious of their duties and responsibilities, More reliable in 'doing what is expected of them.
I don't see a problem with including paper grades as a method in grading people, Same as I don't see a problem with using physical tests of fitness, As a method in grading people.
It isn't 'everything, But it is 'something to go on.

Implication,
Receiving an F on a math test, 'is going to imply to me, that an individual is an idiot, 'especially if it keeps happening.
It's not a certainty they're an idiot, maybe they're lazy, maybe they can't read the language the test is printed in, maybe they're nervous,
But implications 'lead to conclusions, are placed with other facts, and lend credence to a hypothesis.

A person could fail to complete a one mile run, It doesn't 'mean they are unhealthy.
Maybe they had a sprain, Or just didn't feel like it,
But it 'is 'a measure.

We don't 'need to judge 'anyone, Based on 'one aspect or action of theirs, But instead the mixture of them over time.
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ill start a forum about it
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The point being, that a person 'focused on systematic racism, would view the disproportionate 'results of race in the military ASVAB test, and assume racism, on account of the militaries ASVAB test?
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article i found on the topic
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Also if a person from a another country or his or her second language is english they would probably score lower which doesn't mean they are dumber.
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Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
What is your proposed "fix" to this "problem" ?
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Well first we would need to destroy the stereotype of black people being "thugs". i would suggest putting more funding into their neighborhoods as low funding is one of the primary reasons that they have a higher rate of crime. but there is probably a way better solution im not aware. 
Also this forum isn't about how we should fix its about if it exists.
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Well first we would need to destroy the stereotype of black people being "thugs". i would suggest putting more funding into their neighborhoods as low funding is one of the primary reasons that they have a higher rate of crime. but there is probably a way better solution im not aware. 
Throwing money at poor people doesn't have the best track record.

It's easy to think that it's "black thugs" in popular media that "cause" what you might call "negative stereotypes".

But there is no shortage of "white thugs" in popular media.

The "problem" is that identical behavior, "italian mob", "russian mob", "irish mob", is "respected" and even "admired" while a more swarthy skin tone somehow turns sour.

Imagine watching a popular show like "Vikings".

Now imagine watching the same show, "Black Vikings".

CENSORSHIP can also be eliminated as a "fix".

Also this forum isn't about how we should fix its about if it exists.
I'm not sure why you might arbitrarily disqualify proposing "solutions" (which would obviously help us more precisely narrow down and define the "fix").
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Throwing money at poor people doesn't have the best track record.
That's not throwing money at them its funding their underfunded areas and schools so they have equal opportunity.
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The "problem" is that identical behavior, "italian mob", "russian mob", "irish mob", is "respected" and even "admired" while a more swarthy skin tone somehow turns sour. - 3RU7AL
It's the suits. (I'm joking)
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It's the suits
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Throwing money at poor people doesn't have the best track record.
That's not throwing money at them its funding their underfunded areas and schools so they have equal opportunity.
All kids living in the United States have the right to a free public education. And the Constitution requires that all kids be given equal educational opportunity no matter what their race, ethnic background, religion, or sex, or whether they are rich or poor, citizen or non-citizen. [**]

School funding is a much broader "problem" than simply "race" (skin-tone).

For example, there are tiny-public-school-districts in some neighborhoods that have less than 200 homes.

These micro-public-schools are funded by high property values, and operate like de facto private schools.
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Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
There is a widely cited study conducted in italy where identical resumes were sent to apply for jobs.

The only difference was that the attached photo was of a "more attractive" man or woman and the twin resume had an attached photo of an "average" or "unattractive" man or woman (all of roughly the same skin-tone).

The results showed that BOTH "attractive" men and "attractive" women have a significantly easier time getting call-backs.

Similar studies have been conducted for people standing trial.

Conviction rates are measurably higher for "less attractive" individuals.
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i would suggest putting more funding into their neighborhoods as low funding is one of the primary reasons that they have a higher rate of crime.
Just to be clear, is it your position that blacks commit crimes at the same rate as whites, but they are charged more frequently than whites? Or do blacks actually commit more crimes at a higher rate than whites because of living in poor neighborhoods?
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All kids living in the United States have the right to a free public education. And the Constitution requires that all kids be given equal educational opportunity no matter what their race, ethnic background, religion, or sex, or whether they are rich or poor, citizen or non-citizen.
Black areas have significantly less school funding; school funding greatly determines your success and education.--- https://soeonline.american.edu/blog/school-funding-issues

Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
There is a widely cited study conducted in italy where identical resumes were sent to apply for jobs.

The only difference was that the attached photo was of a "more attractive" man or woman and the twin resume had an attached photo of an "average" or "unattractive" man or woman (all of roughly the same skin-tone).

The results showed that BOTH "attractive" men and "attractive" women have a significantly easier time getting call-backs.

Similar studies have been conducted for people standing trial.

Conviction rates are measurably higher for "less attractive" individuals.
Are you suggesting that black people are less "attractive"
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depends on what your talking about------ for drug crimes crime rates are relatively the same
For crime in general black people are more likely to commit more crime do to underfunded areas but also at the same time disproportionately arrested. studies indicate black people are 3.7 times more likely to get pulled over for suspicion of drugs.
Black areas are also disproportionately filled with police.
Studies seem to indicate about 61-80% of black overrepresentation in prisons can be explained by higher black crime rates, with the unexplained portion largely attributable to racial bias.
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92% of black people get welfare, plus the black thug stereotype is true and there is no justification for their crimes
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But it would be correct to say that, in general, it is a fact that black people commit crimes at higher rates than white people, right?
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yes it would be
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So would you also agree that it is more common for black people to live in poor neighborhoods than white people, resulting in a lower quality education?
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Where did you find that 92% of them get welfare? even if that's true the fact remains that they are less likely to get a good education. I'm aware there isn't a justification they should still be punished but if want to stop the higher crime rate we need to fix the poor low funded areas.
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Yea that's a fact
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And if it is more common for black people to receive a lower quality education than white people, it seems to follow that black people would be lower in terms of learned skills like math, reading, and critical thinking than white people, as these skills are developed in one's education. And since these skills help a person in areas like financial decisions and job qualifications, being at a lower level in those learned skills put black people at a disadvantage compared to white people, right?
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i used some math,
in 2018 african americans were 14.6% of the population,
and the US population was 327,200,000
so 14.6% of 327,200,000 = 47,771,200
the source for this is lowincome. org and worldpopulationreview
Number of americans receiving welfare: 110,489,000
percent of welfare recipients who are black: 39.8% 
110,489,000 x 0.398 = 43,974,622
43,974,622/ 47,771,200 = 92%

also sorry if my comment seemed racist
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no it doesnt