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I Kant believe it.
You mean cannot believe it.
Anything that requires experience to prove is not objectively true, and cannot be proven to be so.
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@Shila
It was an Immanuel Kant joke.
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--> @ShilaIt was an Immanuel Kant joke.
You moved further away from your joke.
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@Intelligence_06
Our science and morality is built upon one "fact": That experience matters, and that what you see is true. That simply isn't true, as we cannot prove anything based on experience: How do we know that invisible aliens aren't pushing all these objects to create the illusion of Gravity? We do not know. Even though the current physics may not be "true", it is plausible, or that we think it is true, or that it is subjectively true. There is nothing preventing someone with what we call schizophrenia to actually see objects "with mass" to float upwards without seemingly any force exerted on it. In fact, we cannot conclude that those ones with schizophrenia are seeing the real world as it is, and we just have the same symptom of schizophrenia. How do we determine normal vision and abnormal vision? By social categorization, or what we "think" is right versus what we think isn't. Even how we see the world cannot be proven to be true, let alone speculation based on it.You cannot prove that the next time you push a shopping cart "forward" and nothing else, it won't push back at you and smash you to the walls. You cannot prove that the next time an apple grows ripe, it won't fall endlessly to the sky. Even though we tend to believe our experiences and more often times than not, you see the objects behave exactly like how the old people tell you through the physic textbook that they are going to behave, it is through YOUR vision. You can only prove that this time it worked, subjectively, but never that it WILL work next time, objectively.Objective truth based on experience is equal to nonsense because objective experience is impossible and experience is not objective. Anything we consider true, based on experience, are, at most, subjective truths.
Is this just an argument about semantics, are you just bunged up about the definition of "objective", because there's a lot of that going around.
If you reject experience and science, then how do you function, on what basis do you attempt to be reality adjusted?
Do you really approach a shopping cart fearful it will push you against the wall. You really don't believe what you see? Are you concerned what you are experiencing is a schizophrenic dream? When you see a busy street, do you wonder if your eves are decieving you and become fearful that a truck is going to run you over any second?
I'm serious, if you really believe what you have typed here, how can you possibly function? When you go ourside into the real world, how do you cope, what happens? What do you believe to be true and why?
You typed the post, why do you believe your post is true, and why?
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@Intelligence_06
->@Intelligence_06Our science and morality is built upon one "fact": That experience matters, and that what you see is true. That simply isn't true, as we cannot prove anything based on experience: How do we know that invisible aliens aren't pushing all these objects to create the illusion of Gravity? We do not know. Even though the current physics may not be "true", it is plausible, or that we think it is true, or that it is subjectively true. There is nothing preventing someone with what we call schizophrenia to actually see objects "with mass" to float upwards without seemingly any force exerted on it. In fact, we cannot conclude that those ones with schizophrenia are seeing the real world as it is, and we just have the same symptom of schizophrenia. How do we determine normal vision and abnormal vision? By social categorization, or what we "think" is right versus what we think isn't. Even how we see the world cannot be proven to be true, let alone speculation based on it.You cannot prove that the next time you push a shopping cart "forward" and nothing else, it won't push back at you and smash you to the walls. You cannot prove that the next time an apple grows ripe, it won't fall endlessly to the sky. Even though we tend to believe our experiences and more often times than not, you see the objects behave exactly like how the old people tell you through the physic textbook that they are going to behave, it is through YOUR vision. You can only prove that this time it worked, subjectively, but never that it WILL work next time, objectively.Objective truth based on experience is equal to nonsense because objective experience is impossible and experience is not objective. Anything we consider true, based on experience, are, at most, subjective truths.
Is experience an objective?
A subjective experience refers to the emotional and cognitive impact of a human experience as opposed to an objective experience which are the actual events of the experience. While something objective is tangible and can be experienced by others subjective experiences are produced by the individual mind.
10 days later
I think you can expand this skepticism. You bring up schizophrenia, which is an interesting example. One key, maybe even fundamental, element of schizophrenia is thought disorder, which is characterized by a failiure to think logically. But you see with schizophrenics that they're convinced they're thinking logically and are often closed to the possibility that they're wrong. This "lack of insight" is one of the most difficult parts of the disorder to treat.
We have to acknowledge that it's possible that all of our logical processes, even apriori ones, are fallacious in the same way. Otherwise we too "lack insight".