How much long term damage do you think the lockdown policies will have on children?

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I am talking both from a physiological and a psychological perspective.
The lockdowns drastically decreased social exposure with children, and masks also created a disconnect between face and voice, both very important for the psychological development of children.
The lockdowns, sanitization, etc. also will have drastically limited exposure to various microbes, and if the hygiene hypothesis is true that such exposure during adolescence is key to developing a proper immune system, then children could very well be at increased risk in the future.

So, how much damage do you think has been done? Do you think that people went way too overboard with the lockdowns? Do you think that lockdowns, mask, and/or other policies should continue to exist?
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Social exposure as in face-to-face interaction was already diminished by technology.

Put a group of young and not so young folk in a room and most would rather communicate with or via a machine than with those around them.

So how much "long-term damage"?

None.

Just inevitable change.
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I do agree that technology was already diminishing healthy social interaction from a psychological POV, but I feel as if the Covid lockdowns dialed it up to 11. Also, what are your thoughts on the possible long term effects to the immune system via the hygiene hypothesis + lockdowns and over-sanitization?
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The entirety of my account here was due to lockdown back in 2020. I just got bored and wanted more than the name-calling phase of DDO(which as expected has devolved into just exactly that). At the time, I was 14.

My life as well have benefitted from lockdowns. I don’t know if I am an outlier but I think deliberate periods one uses to isolate any “society” is a pretty neat idea, especially since socialization is more equal online than offline. Though if one gets isolated for too long, either they think it as a prison or they become like me, all brains and no muscles. I get left out (and denied applications to join sport teams) due to me being weak, in turn because I was not willing to exercise during lockdown.

I guess COVID literally catalyzed me into thinking about life and logic. It bound to happen but no one wanted me to stay at home all day typing a computer towards strangers on the internet, my parents included. They made me make friends and join sports programs involuntarily(which they eventually stopped) but the same ideas kept me a repulsion mentally. I guess the lockdown literally gave me a reason to not go outside and touch grass.

Then again, this was just my own record. I can assure you it is authentic. Even then, people hold their own opinions and I would like to hear how would people react if they are suddenly into lockdown, with predictions and possible preparations, if they were a kid at the time.
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People serving life sentences in prisons actually do better living locked down than  they would have roaming freely in society. Children too do better staying at home than they would attending school and reading books that should have been banned. Eg black history of slavery. 

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So, how much damage do you think has been done?
To children?  Not much and almost all that harm is in the past now.

Do you think that people went way too overboard with the lockdowns?
No.

Do you think that lockdowns, mask, and/or other policies should continue to exist?
For COVID?  No.  I think we are past the point where COVID will overwhelm our medical system again.  Certainly, we should refine and be prepared to implement lockdown and/or masking strategies as appropriate for new disease outbreaks.
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So, how much damage do you think has been done? 
To children?  Not much and almost all that harm is in the past now.

Do you think that people went way too overboard with the lockdowns? 
No.

Do you think that lockdowns, mask, and/or other policies should continue to exist?
For COVID?  No.  I think we are past the point where COVID will overwhelm our medical system again.  Certainly, we should refine and be prepared to implement lockdown and/or masking strategies as appropriate for new disease outbreaks.

With over a million Covid deaths and 95 million Covid cases. America should be well prepared to control its own virus spread.
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To children?  Not much and almost all that harm is in the past now.
What are your thoughts on how it might have impacted the immune systems of people via the hygiene hypothesis? Young children were not exposed to nearly the number of microbes as is normal, and (if the hygiene hypothesis is accurate) this might mean an increase in health issues down the line (like allergies, autoimmune disorders, etc.).
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The good hygiene portion of the hygiene hypothesis should be expected to have a greater impact than very young children staying at home which is most of what they do anyway.  Seems like the age group where the hygiene hypothesis comes into play is generally much younger than school age.  I suppose there were many children who would normally have gone to daycare for that year and gotten more exposure to diseases but children that young in daycare is also a relatively new phenomenon with unknown impacts.  I would guess the advantages of very young children spending more time with their families accrued more psychological survival advantages than immunological disadvantages.  I expect that if the most virulent generations of COVID had hit more children earlier, the long term impacts to some of those children would have far outweighed any  long-term immunological or psychological effects of quarantine.
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The good hygiene portion of the hygiene hypothesis should be expected to have a greater impact than very young children staying at home which is most of what they do anyway.  Seems like the age group where the hygiene hypothesis comes into play is generally much younger than school age.  I suppose there were many children who would normally have gone to daycare for that year and gotten more exposure to diseases but children that young in daycare is also a relatively new phenomenon with unknown impacts.  I would guess the advantages of very young children spending more time with their families accrued more psychological survival advantages than immunological disadvantages.  I expect that if the most virulent generations of COVID had hit more children earlier, the long term impacts to some of those children would have far outweighed any  long-term immunological or psychological effects of quarantine.
The original solution proposed by Trump to deal with Covid was injecting disinfectants, somehow getting sunlight into our bodies, then injecting hydroxychloroquine and finally herd immunity.
Trump proposed more solutions for Covid than Biden. But it was Biden who get Covid under control.
Trump would have made a good VP for Biden.

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The original solution proposed by Trump to deal with Covid was injecting disinfectants,
No the original solution he parroted was a lock-down "two weeks to slow the spread".


somehow getting sunlight into our bodies
Not an idea he came up with, those vaunted experts were the ones trying to run blood through UV dialysis. Laugh at them if you want to laugh.


and finally herd immunity.
Which is by definition the only final solution.


Trump proposed more solutions for Covid than Biden. But it was Biden who get Covid under control.
The human immune system (thank you a billion years of evolution) got covid under control, there was some slight support from vaccines. The vaccines were made by vaccine specialists, not ancient politicians of questionable character and cognition.
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The original solution proposed by Trump to deal with Covid was injecting disinfectants,
No the original solution he parroted was a lock-down "two weeks to slow the spread".


somehow getting sunlight into our bodies
Not an idea he came up with, those vaunted experts were the ones trying to run blood through UV dialysis. Laugh at them if you want to laugh.


and finally herd immunity.
Which is by definition the only final solution.


Trump proposed more solutions for Covid than Biden. But it was Biden who got Covid under control.
The human immune system (thank you a billion years of evolution) got covid under control, there was some slight support from vaccines. The vaccines were made by vaccine specialists, not ancient politicians of questionable character and cognition.
6.5 million died from Covid worldwide. Over a million in America died form Covid.
In a billion years Covid was relatively unknown. How does the human immune system deal with the unknown?
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In a billion years Covid was relatively unknown. How does the human immune system deal with the unknown?
This is why people on your side trust "experts", you haven't a clue how things work nor it seems a clue how to begin to determine what makes sense and what doesn't.

It's essentially a system for extremely rapid mutation of potential binding sites. A great number of antibody types are released, the ones that work are targeted for further production.
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In a billion years Covid was relatively unknown. How does the human immune system deal with the unknown?
This is why people on your side trust "experts", you haven't a clue how things work nor it seems a clue how to begin to determine what makes sense and what doesn't.

It's essentially a system for extremely rapid mutation of potential binding sites. A great number of antibody types are released, the ones that work are targeted for further production.
It took WHO several months to identify the coronavirus. Americans believed it came from a bat in Wuhan. Others  that it came for a lab in Wuhan. The WHO found no evidence to support those American theories.
But the Covid epidemic was very active in America. Why such confusion?
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Of course we went overboard with lockdowns, but the damage mostly relates to the economy. People can always move on and get over things. There is lasting damage to global economies and people's finances after the massive disruption lockdowns caused to our supply chains, though. 

P.S anyone who thinks that kids don't directly interact with each other much, doesn't know much about children because they *still* do. All of my cousins were meeting with their friends before, during and after the lockdowns. From what I remember, it was only from March to June in 2020 that people were reluctant to go out...most of my family members, friends and peers were desperate to resume some normality after those initial three months.

Also, to some extent parents have to take responsibility. I.e just because the government says your kids can't go out, it doesn't mean that you can't keep them busy in other ways.
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Of course we went overboard with lockdowns, but the damage mostly relates to the economy. People can always move on and get over things. There is lasting damage to global economies and people's finances after the massive disruption lockdowns caused to our supply chains, though. 

P.S anyone who thinks that kids don't directly interact with each other much, doesn't know much about children because they *still* do. All of my cousins were meeting with their friends before, during and after the lockdowns. From what I remember, it was only from March to June in 2020 that people were reluctant to go out...most of my family members, friends and peers were desperate to resume some normality after those initial three months.

Also, to some extent parents have to take responsibility. I.e just because the government says your kids can't go out, it doesn't mean that you can't keep them busy in other ways.
China successfully stopped Covid by introducing lockdowns. China now ranks 108 in the world in cases and deaths. Asian countries followed Chinas example and all have lower Covid cases and deaths.

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lol are you even real? 

You claim that Asian countries followed by example, but what Asian countries? India is in Asia, yet they have the second highest infection and mortality rates (after the U.S).

South Korea is ranked at #6. Even the U.K has less deaths from covid. Vietnam is #13, Taiwan is #22, North Korea is #28, and Hong Kong is #51.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countries-where-coronavirus-has-spread/
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lol are you even real? 

You claim that Asian countries followed by example, but what Asian countries? India is in Asia, yet they have the second highest infection and mortality rates (after the U.S).

South Korea is ranked at #6. Even the U.K has less deaths from covid. Vietnam is #13, Taiwan is #22, North Korea is #28, and Hong Kong is #51.

South Korea deaths = 28,000 , UK deaths = 190,000.
Vietnam deaths = 43,000
Taiwan deaths = 10,000
NKorea deaths
Hong Kong deaths = 9,900

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I actually know a handful friends and family's kids who did really well during the lockdown. Many have anxiety or social phobias and being able to do school from home left them so much more comfortable they were motivated and did their school work online. My niece in particular was very non-social with us at family functions and during covid she actually came down and hung out with us during the holidays because the stress of going to school was completely gone from her life. She's actually become more social because of it. Granted she can't do big groups but she started college this year and she's doing great and that would not be possible if she had finished high school in person. She was lucky enough she didn't have to go back for the last year at all because they offered parents the option of keeping children at home even though a lot of kids went back. Honestly the only kids that might have gotten screwed were sports kids who might have missed out on games or workouts compared to the kids who were just there for academics.
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I spent more time with my cousins during the pandemic, because at that time we sort of came together as a family as well.

A few months into covid, they started going out with friends again. They're all very sociable and well-adjusted so that was something they still wanted to do. I was the same as by May 2020 I was going out whenever I could and just trying to have a normal life with my newborn. I was getting used to taking care of a baby, not obsessing with covid and so on. 

I hardly ever see my cousins now because I've had another baby, they're still kids, and just wrapped up in school and their own lives. 

I think in a strange way, many families did come together during this time. There were other circumstances that made this all the more so for me, but it was all coinciding with covid.

People started to care more for each other I guess. 
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In away Covid did unite  the world by keep us apart from each other. Should the Chinese be credited with this very original idea?
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Somehow I find SupaDudzs description more alarm ringing than your own,

Wearing face masks doesn't seem that large an issue for development to me, but maybe having seen the face regularly during formative years is something I take for granted,
It's not as though 'all people are wearing a mask, family, TV, people are still seen without masks.

Also seems to me people still have time to encounter microbes, though maybe not 'as much as they might have had. . .
I 'do remember being sick way more when I was young, than as an adult,
Though I don't know if that's because children are more susceptible, or if there's a lot of sicknesses we get as a kid, become immune to as adults.
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Somehow I find SupaDudzs description more alarm ringing than your own,

Wearing face masks doesn't seem that large an issue for development to me, but maybe having seen the face regularly during formative years is something I take for granted,
It's not as though 'all people are wearing a mask, family, TV, people are still seen without masks.

Also seems to me people still have time to encounter microbes, though maybe not 'as much as they might have had. . .
I 'do remember being sick way more when I was young, than as an adult,
Though I don't know if that's because children are more susceptible, or if there's a lot of sicknesses we get as a kid, become immune to as adults.
Not sure if you can find a mask to fit your long snout. Take your Covid shots.

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I do agree that technology was already diminishing healthy social interaction from a psychological POV, but I feel as if the Covid lockdowns dialed it up to 11. Also, what are your thoughts on the possible long term effects to the immune system via the hygiene hypothesis + lockdowns and over-sanitization?
I feel like you watched too much news. 

Anyway it’s reasonable to assume an overwhelming majority of parents were sane enough to allow their kids to take their masks off at home.
the strict mask requirements only lasted for a couple of years. When it comes to mental and immune development, children below the age of 5 would be most effected I would say. TV and smart devices were probably helpful in this circumstance for young kids seeing faces. Though this all just common sense to me.
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I do agree that technology was already diminishing healthy social interaction from a psychological POV, but I feel as if the Covid lockdowns dialed it up to 11. Also, what are your thoughts on the possible long term effects to the immune system via the hygiene hypothesis + lockdowns and over-sanitization?
I feel like you watched too much news. 

Anyway it’s reasonable to assume an overwhelming majority of parents were sane enough to allow their kids to take their masks off at home.
the strict mask requirements only lasted for a couple of years. When it comes to mental and immune development, children below the age of 5 would be most effected I would say. TV and smart devices were probably helpful in this circumstance for young kids seeing faces. Though this all just common sense to me.
American children are used to seeing people in masks. In fact they were raised to accept people wearing masks as entertainment. It started with the cowboy bandits, then bank robbers and KKK.
American could understand why Trump refused to wear a mask during  Covid pandemic. Trump did not want to look like all the other common criminals. He preferred to hide behind his lawyers.
Getting the entertainment value out of wearing masks will be the bigger challenge. Children know you can do a lot of naughty things if you wear a mask. Now we are forcing them to weak masks and therefore giving them permission to act like all the other mask wearing characters  they saw on TV.
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The cognitive regression of boomers is more of a natural process. 
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The cognitive regression of boomers is more of a natural process. 
Are  you attributing  the decline of America to a natural process of cognitive regression? 

How much long term damage do you think the lockdown policies will have on children in addition to the natural process of cognitive regression?