Instigator / Pro
7
1448
rating
26
debates
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won
Topic

The user known as Wylted should commit suicide.

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

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6
Sources points
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4
Spelling and grammar points
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2
Conduct points
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2

With 2 votes and 7 points ahead, the winner is ...

RationalMadman
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Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Four points
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Contender / Con
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1549
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debates
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Description
~ 555 / 5,000

This debate is about whether I should kill myself. I am pro, that I should kill myself, my opponent is against me doing so. I ask that voting is fair and based on who argued better. There is a temptation that because I am arguing in favor of killing myself, that voting against me will encourage me not to. I assure you, that you have no influence on my decision. Just vote fair. I'm also requesting that my opponent has an IQ of 120 or above (as officially tested) not by online tests pandering to you in an attempt to get you to buy your "full results".

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Instigator

Last time I don't do a judge debate. You are all morons

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--> @RationalMadman

Oh, good point! I'll have to remember that for next time.

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Contender
--> @Raltar

You are always welcome to say RFD in comments and post a comment-split RFD

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--> @RationalMadman

I wish the character limit on this debate had been higher, because there were a lot of topics in here that could have been hashed out and examined in a lot more depth. The global warming suicide chain idea is something that could have been attacked or promoted a lot of different ways and there just wasn't room in this debate for it.

Either way though, I hope Wylted is still happy with the outcome of the debate, because he likes interesting topics and this one was surely interesting at the least!

Oh, and I did want to try to cram all the points into my RFD, but like I said, character limit bit me there too. Hopefully I didn't glaze over anything critical.

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Contender
--> @Raltar

Thanks for the vote though, it was accurate. I didn't even understand his global warming point and you're correct that he can't inspire said chain-suicides with his hiding of the suicide scam.

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Contender
--> @Raltar

MY rebuttal to his scheme is that after a long enough time with a life insurance company killing yourself is also insured against, just with a lower payout. The only exception is if you actively hid clinically diagnosed mental illness beforehand from them.

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--> @RationalMadman @Wylted

My RFD would have been even longer, but apparently even RFD's have a character limit.

This was a completely fair vote. If the question is legitimately intended to be "would society be better if Wylted was dead" then Pro failed to prove that it would be. Con had effective rebuttals for the insurance money scam idea at the very least, and cast sufficient doubt on everything else to make the overall claim come up short.

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--> @RationalMadman @Wylted

Sorry, I just can't bring myself to fairly vote on whether a person should end their life. Regardless of the soundness of the arguments on either side, my vote would remain the same.

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Instigator

You can have fun topics without it being a troll debate. I Don't do troll debates

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Contender
--> @Ramshutu

No it's not.

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I can’t figure out whether is considered a troll debate or not.

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Instigator

wrote it in Libre office and the site added quotes, and my time is very limited at the moment so I just had to live with it. I do apologize for it making the debate less readable

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--> @RationalMadman @Wylted

Okay. I figured it was probably something like that and wanted to be sure I understood everything correctly.

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Contender
--> @Raltar

I think he didn't realise what he was doing. He was pressing enter and it wasn't deleting the quotes.

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--> @RationalMadman @Wylted

I'll definitely look everything over one more time and vote when I can. One quick question though; In the last round Pro put his whole argument in a quote? Was all of that quoted from elsewhere or...?

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Contender
--> @Castin @David @Ramshutu @Raltar

Feel free to vote, ty.

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--> @Wylted

An academic abstraction as in a purely conceptual talking point, like everything else we debate here. This is your life. It's not rhetoric.

When you're depressed you always think the wool's been pulled off from over your eyes and you're finally seeing things as they really are -- the cold, hard, hopeless truth. But I don't really know you. If you think you'll get something out of this debate, it's certainly your right to have it. But I think you've already found the reason why you shouldn't take your life.

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Instigator

What do you mean "Acedemic abstraction"? I wouldn't call myself an academic. My highest level of education is the 9th grade, and by extension I certainly don't engage in anything dealing with acedemia.

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Instigator
--> @Castin

I'm more logical when I'm depressed. When I feel good, sometimes I suspect that I'm Jesus or the antichrist. I hear things that aren't there and sometimes see things that don't exist. Even in more sane moments of not being depressed, I'm usually less accurate in my reasoning. Many studies have shown that pessimists make more accurate predictions than optimists.

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--> @Wylted

The fate and value of a human life should not be debated in a win/lose contest like some academic abstraction.

What do you expect this debate to accomplish? By the time you're suicidal, you are beyond the reach of logic. Reasons, arguments -- meaningless. The feeling is all that's truly real; to contemplate anything else is to contemplate the unreal. It has all blurred into a sourceless gray fog without beginning or end, and you are conscious of nothing but the desire to reach a place where you simply cannot think or feel anymore.

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Instigator

You would think that after surviving the traumatic events and having none of that stuff to hold you back, you'd be okay, but it's not true. Some habits I formed then helped me to literally survive, but those same habits don't seem useful now.

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Instigator

I just realized I probably shouldn't have brought up the emotional damage I could do to her, RM may use it against me.

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Instigator
--> @Castin

"you said you're not sure if you can make it through this debate without blowing your head off. I'm concerned. Is that true?"

I feel like that some days, or months. Sometimes I can not even get out of bed. I usually need diet pills or some sort of amphetimine during my depressed periods to keep from losing my job and destroying my life by becoming catatonic, but even the stimulants just push back the inevitable and I just end up depressed for long periods. The last 9 months were bad. I almost gave up, but was scared to. I also was afraid of the emotional damage I would do to my fiance. She seems sensitive. Hopefully I can keep my shit together for a while now, and the depressed phases don't come back.

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--> @Wylted

Wyl, you said you're not sure if you can make it through this debate without blowing your head off. I'm concerned. Is that true?

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Instigator
--> @Castin

I'm debating over whether I should commit suicide, I'm not threatening to commit suicide. There are a ton of things I should do, that I frequently neglect to.