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Islam vs Christianity

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
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all that for nothing

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@Barney
@oromagi
@TWS1405

pls vote

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@abhaysingh

Not really. The trinity is a fundamental faith in Christianity. Apparently, it decides your fate

I guess there shouldn't be any debate among christianity and islam as origin on both religion is same I.e Desert and they follow almost same laws of religion as other abrahamic faiths do.

Well, this one's on me for only making it 3 rounds long. I guess I'll have to leave it up to the voters to determine whether to take the content of your last round seriously or not. Nothing I can do about it now.

Anyhow, good debate.

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@Ehyeh

Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.

You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.

Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent

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@Ehyeh

Yet again I am saying
Prisoners of war= women
Where is the logic in that
And how did you come to that assumption
I will tell you the answer. You have a narrative that you want to stick with. It is a fallacy. Prisoners of war are not all women.

You do realise in all the battles that Muslims faced back in Arabia, it was not exclusive to the Muslim army. In fact, the enemy were more aggressive with the slaves. They would not have these options that i stated. Muslims made it more fair but as you live in a society where there has been no war in these western countries for a long time, you have been nullified to all these things that happen in wars.

Also I don't see you condemning the verse in the Bible where it says that women must keep quiet in the church. And where Jesus called a woman a dog. Please condemn these as well, I know you are not a Christian however you need to be consistent

Its not an assumption. The Islamic slave trade had more female slaves than male ones. Women were fighting back? I'm unsure why slavery is ever justified for any of the reasons you cited. The only thing that could be said to be moral in any would be to free the slave.

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@Ehyeh

Prisoners of war=women
Where did you get that assumption from?

Of course if the prisoners of war are the enemy, and the enemy fights you and you fight back, you capture the enemy and take them as prisoners or slaves or whatever you want to call them.

And marrying is not the only option. I gave you 4. Owner can free them them kindness. Slave has to pay to become free. Slave can marry owner. Slaves can convert to Muslim and be free. Now for me this is fair. It is fair because if you don't want slaves, then don't declare war on Muslims. Its as simple as that

I brought up the slavery, as you made it seem like Islam is very picky with slavery (you made it sound like they only take male warriors). That's why i linked it.

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@rayhan16

You don't believe its coercive at all? that you only get freedom if you literally marry your slave master? "prisoners of war" like women?

If you think its ok for slavery to happen if someone can be free if they simply marry their captor, i don't know what to say. That's not a justification, its obvious if you're a non Muslim slave you have MASSIVE material incentives to become a Muslim. It would be inaccurate to say the least to say there was a "fair" choice here about whether or not you should convert to Islam if you're a non Muslim slave.

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@Novice_II
@Ehyeh

Because it is obviously a lie.

Slaves are only allowed in prisoners of war
And even then they can convert to Muslim and be free, the owner can let them go, they can pay and they can be let go, or can marry the owner to become free
If they marry the owner, the owner has to treat them right with respect and provide for them just like a couple should work.

Now Novice, it is a simple case of bias and dare I say Islamophobia. I have had countless messages telling me that I am useless that Muslims are terrorists, that I do not belong in society, that I do not belong here etc etc. I don't care about these messages. However it is evident and clear when the moment I say something that is apparently out of order, you respond. But when other people say stuff, you don't respond. Nor does anyone else. Plus I just defended myself because this debate is not about slaves it is about the 2 religions. Christianity allows slaves too, how many did moses have etc etc. I don't want to go into detail however it is very unfair and to be frank, racist. I have had what, like 5 non Muslims all attacking Islam, maybe even more and there is only 1 Muslim which is me, backing the case. Out of order from you novice, I expected better

https://aboutislam.net/live-session/general-fatwa-session-3/islam-allow-rape-female-slaves/

"As history proved, such prisoners of war became gradually assimilated in the Muslim society and became familiar with Islam, which encouraged so many of these slaves to accept Islam. From the Islamic perspective, to be a Muslim slave (who may also get his/her freedom in a way or another) is better than to be a non-Muslim free person; the former will enter the Paradise and the latter the Hellfire."

Eseentially people are coerced into becoming muslims if youre a non muslims slave, as its pretty much your only option in a muslim society.

"The Quran and the Sunnah urged Muslims to treat their slaves kindly and not to overburden or abuse them. Usually the sexual relationship took place in a normal way. Of course, forcing a slave girl to have sex is a kind of abuse against her, but she is still her master’s slave girl and this is his right. It is not proper for a man to force his wife to have sex with him, yet she is his wife and this is his right. Sometimes a woman gets married under certain social or economic pressures and she does not like the man she is married to, but still he has rights on her including to have sex. "

what the heck?

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@rayhan16

Why so aggressive? The information Ehyeh posts here seems perfectly legitimate.

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@rayhan16

How is it meaningless? the Islamic world has had a slavery history as bad as Europe. They even had more female slaves to male slave ratio. Literally tens of millions. I'm unsure how war justifies that. Many Islamic rulers relied on military slaves (non-Muslims).

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@Ehyeh

Please stop leaving useless and meaningless comments in my debate. Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

British and French pressure is the major reason why slavery regressed significantly in the Islamic world.

Let me clarify that I meant to say:

"the human soul is made perfect *upon salvation* even in life but must still contend with the influences of a sinful body"

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@Swagnarok

Good few arguments, I envy how you word your points, some misconceptions however.

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@Ehyeh

committed to the cause

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@rayhan16

Based brother based. Enjoy the game.

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@Ehyeh

Watching Arsenal vs Everton, come on you gunners

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@rayhan16

Why you up so late at night? get to bed bruv.