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Marvel is better than DC comics

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vi_777

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Publication date: 03.17.2025 08:05PM
Last updated date: 06.05.2025 04:09PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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vi_777

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Round 1

helperman

04.03.2025 10:49AM

Pro

Marvel is more consistent than DC.

Marvel comes up with clever explanation for any inconsistencies, while DC either ignores it or makes it a different universe.

Example for marvel, originally ghost rider was said to make a deal with satan, but it was later changed to Mephisto, but a explanation was given of that being what he thought.

Example for DC, Black Manta has like 5 different origin stories.

Consistency is valuable for comics.

vi_777

04.03.2025 02:31PM

Con

Consistency isn't always the key to great storytelling in comics. The strength of DC lies in its ability to explore multiple interpretations of a character's origin and evolve them over time. These inconsistencies aren't necessarily flaws; they're opportunities for creative reinvention.

The Multiverse Concept in DC:
- DC has a multiverse for a reason. The whole point of the multiverse is that it allows for diverse versions of the same character. In DC, the different origins or iterations of a character like Black Manta aren't necessarily contradictions but rather different takes that can exist simultaneously, thanks to the multiverse concept. Each origin can reflect the changing times, societal issues, or different creative directions in the industry.
- Example: Look at characters like The Flash or Batman. Multiple versions of both characters exist with varying origins and motivations (like Earth-2 or the "New 52" version). This isn't a lack of consistency, but rather an exploration of what a character can be in different contexts.
Marvel’s “Consistency” Is Just Retconning:
- The idea that Marvel "fixes" inconsistencies with explanations like the Mephisto change for Ghost Rider is just retconning (retroactive continuity). While this makes the story "consistent" within that continuity, it doesn't necessarily make it better. Retconning can sometimes feel like it's cleaning up messes instead of letting stories evolve naturally.
- Example: The whole "Mephisto" explanation for Ghost Rider being a retcon implies that the initial story wasn't strong enough on its own to stand the test of time. This type of retconning doesn’t always add depth—it just smooths over issues.
DC's Boldness in Reinvention:
- DC's willingness to take risks by constantly reinventing characters, like Black Manta, or telling alternate stories (e.g., The Killing Joke, Flashpoint, or Earth One), shows their courage in pushing boundaries. It’s not about consistency for the sake of predictability, it’s about creativity and keeping things fresh. Marvel, by contrast, can sometimes feel a bit too stuck in its original formulas.
Consistency Isn't Always What Readers Want:
- At the end of the day, good stories and character development are what fans care about most. Not every story needs to fit into a rigid framework of consistency. Sometimes, the changes, shifts, and reinventions create even more compelling and intriguing characters. Characters like Batman have had numerous origin stories, but that's also what makes them fascinating—because they can be so many different things to different people across different eras.
The Strength of DC's Universe:
- The beauty of DC’s inconsistencies is that it shows their characters and world are alive, evolving, and open to interpretation. It allows writers to explore more complex, diverse stories that Marvel often avoids due to their “need for consistency.”

Counter to Your Example:

Black Manta: Yes, Black Manta has had different origin stories, but that's part of what makes him such a compelling villain. Some origin stories show his humanity and the pain that drives him, while others portray him as a purely vengeful force. This range of perspectives makes him more multifaceted. DC's approach to Black Manta is an example of expansion and depth rather than inconsistency.

So, instead of saying DC's lack of consistency is a flaw, it's actually a strength—it opens up more possibilities and shows a willingness to explore new angles, rather than merely adhering to an established canon.

Round 2

helperman

04.10.2025 02:31PM

Pro

Forfeited

vi_777

04.15.2025 08:22AM

Con

1. DC Created the Superhero Genre

DC Comics introduced Superman in Action Comics #1 (1938), effectively founding the superhero genre. He became the template for all superheroes that followed. The cultural weight of Superman's debut is so significant that a copy of the issue once sold for $3.2 million.

Guinness World Records — First superhero with superpowers (Superman):
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-superhero-with-superpowers
BBC — Most expensive comic book ever sold:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-28936096

2. Batman: The Gold Standard of Complex Storytelling

DC’s Batman, introduced in Detective Comics #27 (1939), is widely regarded as the most psychologically rich hero in comics. He fights without powers—relying on intelligence, detective skills, and moral complexity.

GQ — Batman: The World's Greatest Detective:
https://www.gq.com/story/batman-the-detective

3. DC Has the Most Critically Acclaimed Comics

Some of the most respected and awarded graphic novels ever written belong to DC:

Watchmen by Alan Moore: Deconstructs the idea of a superhero. Listed in TIME Magazine’s 100 Best Novels of all time.
The Killing Joke: Widely considered the definitive Joker origin and won the Eisner Award in 1989.

TIME Magazine — All-Time 100 Novels (Watchmen):
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1951793_1974962_1974924,00.html
Wikipedia — Watchmen (graphic novel):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen
Wikipedia — Batman: The Killing Joke:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

4. DC Characters Represent Timeless Archetypes

DC heroes aren’t just powerful—they’re icons of universal values:

Superman = Hope & Moral Strength
Batman = Justice & Intellect
Wonder Woman = Equality & Truth

They’ve been studied in philosophy, literature, and sociology.

Psychology Today — Why Batman Matters:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-nature-nurture-nietzsche-blog/201406/why-batman-matters
Smithsonian Magazine — Why Superman Endures:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-superman-endures-93321718/

5. Legacy and Longevity Beat Popularity

DC has endured for nearly 9 decades, reshaping culture, media, and morality through its stories. Its cinematic universe, despite ups and downs, still sparked billion-dollar successes with characters like The Joker (2019) and The Batman (2022).

Forbes — Joker Crosses $1 Billion Worldwide:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/15/box-office-joker-just-crossed-1-billion-and-its-a-big-deal/?sh=3f1d79c665c3
The Verge — The Batman Review:
https://www.theverge.com/22957132/the-batman-movie-review-robert-pattinson-matt-reeves

Conclusion

DC Comics doesn’t just create heroes—it defines them. Its characters represent enduring ideals. Its stories changed how the world sees comics. And its legacy remains unmatched.

“Marvel may have fans. DC has believers.”

Round 3

helperman

04.22.2025 08:22AM

Pro

Forfeited

vi_777

04.26.2025 01:26PM

Con

DC’s Depth and Complexity Crush Marvel’s Simplicity

1. DC Tells Mature, Layered Stories for All Ages

DC consistently explores complex, adult themes like identity, morality, mental health, and societal collapse. Its heroes wrestle with internal battles just as much as external ones. In contrast, Marvel often leans into relatable teen drama—good for fun, but lacking the mythic weight of DC.

The Atlantic — DC Comics and the Dark Side of Superheroes:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/what-batman-v-superman-says-about-superhero-movies/475530/

2. DC Comics are Studied Academically

Universities and scholars regularly analyze DC's heroes in fields like philosophy, literature, and psychology. Courses often cover Batman’s ethical dilemmas, Superman’s representation of idealism, and Wonder Woman’s feminist roots.

Stanford University — Philosophy and Superheroes (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman) syllabus:
https://explorecourses.stanford.edu/search?view=catalog&academicYear=&q=Philosophy+and+Superheroes&filter-coursestatus-Active=on&filter-term-Autumn=on

3. DC’s Multiverse Came First — and Did it Better

The idea of a Multiverse, now popular because of Marvel’s movies, was actually created by DC first, way back in The Flash of Two Worlds (1961). They established complex alternate timelines and realities long before Marvel even tried.

DC Database — Flash of Two Worlds (1961):
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Flash_Vol_1_123

4. Psychological Depth of Villains

DC’s villains aren’t just evil—they’re reflections of human fears, anxieties, and corruption:

Joker = Chaos without reason
Lex Luthor = Ego and control addiction
Darkseid = Totalitarianism and anti-life philosophy

Marvel villains often lean into simpler revenge arcs (e.g., "I’m angry because XYZ happened"), while DC digs into existential terror.

Psychology Today — What Makes the Joker so Dangerous:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-dark-side/201910/what-makes-the-joker-so-dangerous

5. DC Focuses on Myth, Not Popularity

Where Marvel heroes often feel like “people who became special,” DC’s heroes feel like legends and myths walking among us—timeless, larger-than-life symbols, built to inspire across generations.

The Guardian — Superheroes as Modern Mythology:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/jul/20/comic-con-superheroes-modern-mythology

Conclusion

DC isn’t just telling superhero stories — it's crafting modern mythology. It treats its characters as eternal symbols, not just everyday people with powers. That’s why DC will always stand taller and deeper than Marvel’s flashier, short-lived popularity.