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    There have been thousands of different religions throughout human history. Everyone thinks they are right. How likely is it that EVERYONE has the truth? About zero.

    That some one has stumbled on the truth, or that God has given someone the Truth, is possible but I doubt it has happened. 

    That we are all stumbling around in the dark trying to figure things out is more likely the case. 
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    Well it depends on what truth you are talking about. Everyone can be right in what happens to them in death. Every single afterlife or lack of an afterlife idea can be right. You just go where you believe you will go or you simply stop existing. But is everyone right in what they assert about this world? No. No one religion is the moral authority for everyone. No one religion has the truth that applies to everyone. 
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    Funny. We Orthodox don't think we are right. We know that God is right.

    And spiritual blindness is something that God heals so that you aren't stumbling around in the dark.

    The church is a hospital for the sick.

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    The church is a hospital for the sick.


    You're in the right place then.
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    Funny. We Orthodox don't think we are right. We know that God is right.
    You know for sure you're right about that?

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    --> @janesix
    That we are all stumbling around in the dark trying to figure things out is more likely the case. 
    That is very probably 'the Truth'.


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    Truth. Theists are mind boggling brilliant religious group pickers.  




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    Truth. Theists are mind boggling brilliant religious group pickers.  
    Not really, but it's best not to argue because they have been known to set fire to anyone who picks the wrong group.

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    --> @janesix
    There have been thousands of different religions throughout human history. Everyone thinks they are right. How likely is it that EVERYONE has the truth? About zero.

    Proof that truth is relative.

    Think about it, how can people follow their God's morals if they don't believe their religion has the truth? There is no way, so they have to believe it's true anyway.

    Il Diavolo
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    How likely is it that EVERYONE has the truth? About zero.
    The definition of Truth requires Fact and the definition of Fact requires indisputability.

    Therefore, if a statement or assertion is disputed, it cannot be considered a Fact and as such, cannot be considered True.
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    I don't think truth is relative. I just think we don't really "got it" yet.
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    if a statement or assertion is disputed, it cannot be considered a Fact
    you've said so before and I still don't go for it!

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    When you look at religion and spirituality collectively remember it's mans attempt at interpreting and harnessing the reality of God and the Divine, some things are accurate and others not so much but many path of spirituality contain pieces of the truth. One thing people might not be aware of is that there are collective societies outside this planet. Much like what you see on Earth is also like in the spiritual or higher realms, there are still different places, planets, people, creatures and societies. God is much more dynamic then anyone could ever imagine, the problem with that is people tend to limit God way too much. 
    It's better to be flexible when approaching spirituality as a whole, get rid of this idea that only one religion has the answers. That is not how this works. Religion is the INTERPRETATION, of many people, saints and through many factors. This is why I examine all of spirituality and objectively look at what could be learned, what is true and what can be discarded. 
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    Are there many pieces missing in any one particular religion? yes sure, but as a whole the puzzle becomes much more clear. 
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    you've said so before and I still don't go for it!
    (IFF) Truth requires Fact (AND) Fact requires indisputability (THEN) Truth requires indisputability.

    Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.
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    How do you determine what is true,and what can be discarded?
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    I don't know how a fact can be 'indisputable'.   All one as to is say 'no it isn't!'.

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    Yes, because unlike you, I am not willfully ignorant about what the concept of "God" refers to.
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    How do you determine what is true,and what can be discarded?

    Many ways but part of it will be determined based on your own experiences. The things you have yet to actually walk through yourself there are a few ways.... commonsense/logic, cross referencing and being open-minded and flexible. Being open-minded might sound kinda vague but what it means is you're not going to just push away information just because it's outside your own experience as well as sounding unusual. This will allow yourself to collect more information and consider things that you may at first reject giving you more of a database to pull from. Even in complexity there can be simplicity because even if something is dynamic it still can be reasonable, simple and logical to comprehend.
    If something sounds off to you, or it doesn't follow in one way or another in logic and or commonsense then it's not like you have to embrace it, you are allowed to discard ideas if they seem wacked out to you because it may not be true just make sure you aren't being closed minded because certainly there are things we need to learn that may sound strange at first. Spirituality makes sense and is very logical and objective despite it being incredibly dynamic, as well the experiences people can have are many because as I pointed out souls can experience many collective realities outside this one. So just because there is a variety does not mean everything is false.
    As you cultivate your spiritual nature you will experience more things, but your own spirituality progresses at your own speed and will not exceed that of course. So being stubborn or angry about life slow the process down to a screeching halt. Your disposition and the way you approach spirituality in attitude is very important to control.
    As you have several layers/bodies, you have all of them to contend with including the mind and emotions. Your strength in the created worlds will be your survival which is why you want to get strong in yourself and not afraid to be alone or without someone. You cannot leave this planet and enter higher realms with weak mind and emotional body that cannot be controlled. This is why so much turmoil here, it's meant for the lower worlds, since those weaknesses can destroy and bring down a society those that are too focused on the physical world and carnality cannot progress. 

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    How do you lean how to control your emotions?
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    First recognize it when you see it, feel it. Like looking at your thoughts within your mind. The mind is what you are observing, you are what illuminates what takes place within the mind as well as the emotional body. You want to stay balanced, frustration comes when you keep repeating the same cycles and they become fixed. You want to constantly evaluate what you are doing in your reactions to experiences. 
    The emotional body is very tricky because now your dealing with feelings not only thoughts. Feelings and the emotions solidify patterns within yourself and so be careful of what patterns exist within you. 
    It is simple to see when the emotional layer kicks in, just be watching and don't let it dictate your circumstances. 
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    The mind and mental layer is difficult to control as well, especially when under fire. 
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    I don't know how a fact can be 'indisputable'.   All one as to is say 'no it isn't!'.

    Pure genius that link is.

    Gravity (for example) is considered a fact because it is empirically verifiable and generally considered indisputable.

    Fact (and by logical extension Truth) is quite rare, but not non-existent.

    Without some tacit agreement on at least a few fundamental facts (like language), communication between two persons would be impossible.

    And if you can't communicate with someone, it is impossible to confirm if you disagree with them.

    Facts exist as a logical necessity, but not everything (and actually a great many things) that people consider facts are merely opinions.

    If you merely "gainsay" the law of gravity, you are likely to be dismissed as either disingenuous or insane.

    The battle lines are drawn exactly at the place where you disqualify your opponent.
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    Yes, because unlike you, I am not willfully ignorant about what the concept of "God" refers to.
    Case in point.  Rush to disqualify.