Imposed purpose

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  • disgusted
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    Why do godists need an imposed purpose to give their lives meaning?
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    Where do you get the idea the "need" anything like that?
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    From godists.
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    Give me a quote of a "godist" saying something like that.
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    This entire thread is predicated on a broad generalization and as often happens with such blanket statements you cannot verify your claim as completely accurate. That us you are committing a black swan fallacy. You could say many goddists but without thus qualifier you have made an error.
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    I never mentioned how many godists and most certainly did not claim all godists, look to yourself for YOUR generalizations.
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    Oh dear are you being disingenuous or dishonest. It's what religious belief is about.
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    Your exact words were "Why do godists need an imposed purpose to give their lives meaning?" The answer is that all godists do not. Qualifying language is necessary to avoid these misunderstandings
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    I was not the one who misunderstood, that was you. Try to clear up your misunderstandings before putting them on screen. Are you sorted now?
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    My advise to you stands. Your original statement was about goddists not some, many or even most goddists. If you wish to be understood you should be clear and precise in your language. Just to be clear are you amending ypur original statementvwoth a qualifier or not?
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    I see no reason to target the lowest common denominator, that is not the audience I wish to engage.
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    If an imposed purpose is needed to have "meaning" then there cannot be meaning without an imposed purpose, since it essential.

     Because there cannot be meaning without an imposed purpose, an imposed purpose is needed for the "meaning" to be "given" to "their lives".

    The question answers itself with or without such a qualifier.

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    And yet evolved humans have no such need. Care to explain.
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    Godists are not evolved
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    Every living organism on earth is evolved.
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    I see no reason to target the lowest common denominator, that is not the audience I wish to engage.

    The only target I am asking you to aim for is saying what you mean as that is vitally important in debate, though not terribly important I suppose if your goal is simply to be inflammatory. 
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    If godists are not evolved, and every living organism on earth is evolved, than they are either not on earth, or not a living organism.

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    I believe you are basing your statement on faulty information. It is the base that a 'godist' (not a term I generally use by the way) are not evolved. Evolution is observable and has been tested in laboratory conditions up to and including speciation. The living organisms on earth evolved over time. Including humans. By saying humans I mean all humans or I would have used a qualifier. Thank you by the way for the chance to illustrate that point while answering your post.
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    That's a fair point of conjecture.  I initially assumed godists were human

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    It is possible that there are 'godists (again not a term I often use) that are not human but we have no evidence to support such a hypothesis. Indeed all observable theists are human.

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    Who is we?
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    Religious belief brings imposed purpose.
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    We in this case is you and I since we are the ones engaged in this discussion. 
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    The nihilist talks about meaning.



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    Says someone who knows nothing about theism. Religion isn't one's life purpose unless you are a priest or shaman or some other leader or working in a religion. Too bad your too bigoted to get it.