What doesn't make sense about Canadians who refuse to join the US is they will say, "We want independence because we want Medicare for all (M4A)".
Well, the 10th amendment to the US constitution is states rights; so the Canadian states would be allowed to keep M4A. That part I don't see people address too much.
1 of 2 things are true about M4A:
1. It's a net negative.
2. It's a net positive.
If the former is true, then the Canadian states get rid of the plan one by one. If the ladder is true, then the idea expands to other US states. One of the ideas will lose, but the people are going to win regardless (in addition, good ideas expand faster when they're in one part of the same nation vs when they're in a totally different nation).
Lets say #2 is the correct answer and every state implements M4A on their own. Now, it's CANADIANS who benefit (why? Because many Canadians hate cold Canadian winters and would love to move to a place like California or Hawaii provided these states implement M4A (and the French snowbirds can move to Louisiana to meet a state with a lot of Francophone influence that is warm, and although Louisiana is a conservative state, there are progressive areas in Louisiana).
You also would get more racial diversity in Canada; I mean; American cities have a lot of non-whites compared to Canadian cities; it would significantly improve racial integration.They hate Trump; well, alright; he's not going to be POTUS forever, he may seek a 3rd term (which Canadian PMs have had 3rd terms before and it's fine), but it won't stop him from dying of old age (which is inevitable), if 3rd terms are allowed, then he might run against Obama (see how THAT goes), Canadians love Obama and hate Trump, wouldn't you want to vote for Obama?
Even though I did not vote for Trump and despise the guy, I'm an American living here, I can assure you he's going to be gone eventually. I'll just ride out the storm. Trump has even said I think that he would be fine with running against Obama, so the GOP voter base would fall in line over that, and Obama crushes Trump (and Canadian voters that are now part of the US can be part of that history).Who would do that to America?
The 2 countries that have a bigger population than us aren't English speaking and they're far away. If TX wants independence, then people joke about it. If Canada wants independence, then people cheer it on. The only difference is currently, right now, Canada is it's own country and TX is a state. But borders aren't forever. They change like the wind over the course of history. In 1800, claiming that the German states would ever unify into one was laughable. But the status quo changed and with the exception of Austria and some others, German speaking Europe is it's own country.
The status quo with respect to national borders should be irrelevant.