Canadian independence argument (Medicare for all)

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What doesn't make sense about Canadians who refuse to join the US is they will say, "We want independence because we want Medicare for all (M4A)".

Well, the 10th amendment to the US constitution is states rights; so the Canadian states would be allowed to keep M4A. That part I don't see people address too much.

1 of 2 things are true about M4A:

1. It's a net negative.
2. It's a net positive.

If the former is true, then the Canadian states get rid of the plan one by one. If the ladder is true, then the idea expands to other US states. One of the ideas will lose, but the people are going to win regardless (in addition, good ideas expand faster when they're in one part of the same nation vs when they're in a totally different nation).

Lets say #2 is the correct answer and every state implements M4A on their own. Now, it's CANADIANS who benefit (why? Because many Canadians hate cold Canadian winters and would love to move to a place like California or Hawaii provided these states implement M4A (and the French snowbirds can move to Louisiana to meet a state with a lot of Francophone influence that is warm, and although Louisiana is a conservative state, there are progressive areas in Louisiana).

You also would get more racial diversity in Canada; I mean; American cities have a lot of non-whites compared to Canadian cities; it would significantly improve racial integration.They hate Trump; well, alright; he's not going to be POTUS forever, he may seek a 3rd term (which Canadian PMs have had 3rd terms before and it's fine), but it won't stop him from dying of old age (which is inevitable), if 3rd terms are allowed, then he might run against Obama (see how THAT goes), Canadians love Obama and hate Trump, wouldn't you want to vote for Obama?

Even though I did not vote for Trump and despise the guy, I'm an American living here, I can assure you he's going to be gone eventually. I'll just ride out the storm. Trump has even said I think that he would be fine with running against Obama, so the GOP voter base would fall in line over that, and Obama crushes Trump (and Canadian voters that are now part of the US can be part of that history).Who would do that to America?

The 2 countries that have a bigger population than us aren't English speaking and they're far away. If TX wants independence, then people joke about it. If Canada wants independence, then people cheer it on. The only difference is currently, right now, Canada is it's own country and TX is a state. But borders aren't forever. They change like the wind over the course of history. In 1800, claiming that the German states would ever unify into one was laughable. But the status quo changed and with the exception of Austria and some others, German speaking Europe is it's own country.

The status quo with respect to national borders should be irrelevant.
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Mass has government healthcare and it works fine for Mass.
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Care to comment?  I know you both disagree with me here.

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I am not sure if Canada would lose medicare if it joined USA. I mean, it would join as the state, meaning it would still have own budget too. How much it would have to give to US government per year and how much it would be returned to it, I really wouldnt know.
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I am not sure if Canada would lose medicare if it joined USA. I mean, it would join as the state
Trump calls Canada "the 51st state" for marketing purposes.  Really, it's more realistic that every province becomes it's own state, but saying, "51st state" is better for marketing than, "10 more states!".

I am not sure if Canada would lose medicare if it joined USA.
Ideally, Trump would let the Canadian states keep M4A if they wanted to keep the policy.  In America, fiscal left policies (free college) are largely up to the states; NY has free college for it's residents; Trump didn't stop that (and he shouldn't).  I wouldn't even have current provincial boundaries be the definition of states; I think every American state made from Canadian territory should be roughly the same size as a current US state; so expect a lot of state downsizing wrt land size, but they can (and should) keep M4A if they want.