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@TheGreatSunGod
You can make nonsense up, it does not affect me or anyone reading this.
Law, 'free speech' and cold hard reality.
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You can make nonsense up, it does not affect me or anyone reading this
I am just repeating Jesus's words.
Jesus said:
"Dont judge, I dont judge people."
"Love all your enemies"
"Love even those who hate you"
"Dont hurt(resist) the evildoer".
If you disagree with Jesus here, then I cant help you there.
""You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
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@TheGreatSunGod
Those are instructions to us. :) The Hell that awaits those enemies if they do not repent and do good works with true faith before they enter the afterlife is not ours to dish out, it is the Lord and King's.
He is telling us to be patient, forgiving and understanding. We are all sinners and will fall short of always being all of that at all time but we can try our best.
"But I tell you, do not resist an evil person." - Jesus
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@TheGreatSunGod
Dont judge, I dont judge people."
He did not say this.
He reminded if you judge others you will also be kudgdd anyway so worry more about getting to heaven and have it as a lesser priority to save or boss around others.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Okay keep talking nonsense, Im focusing on other stuff ty
Those are instructions to us
Jesus says "Be perfect as your God is".
He did not say this
I gave you verses. Even linked them there.
The only question is if you agree with Jesus or not.
"The Hell that awaits those enemies if they do not repent and do good works with true faith before they enter the afterlife is not ours to dish out, it is the Lord and King's"
We dont even know what Hell is like. The only thing we know is that God shows great mercy to all and loves all and benefits all.
This thread actually raises a lot of valid points.
And I totally get and understand the point of debate allowing people to think and express their beliefs however they want, but the site needs to stop tolerating views that encourage or enable illegal behavior.
All morals and ethics aside, allowing a platform for such opinions to take place sets this site up as a potential target for law enforcement investigation or vigilante justice.
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@DebateArt.com
Please read and respond to this if you can
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@Sir.Lancelot
All morals and ethics aside, allowing a platform for such opinions to take place sets this site up as a potential target for law enforcement investigation or vigilante justice.
Lol if text was considered illegal, half of my AI girlfriends would be arrested and wouldnt even be on google play store. Again, this isnt Germany.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Laws differ by location.
Although this is an issue that transcends legal concerns, I do believe that most areas of the world would not allow these views. As in, these views are universally scrutinized for very valid reasons.
DART is truly an outsider.
DART is truly an outsider.
Suffice it to say, I simply don't agree with anyone declaring that DART should be a debating platform with broad appeal.
It is very niche-based and it should remain the size that it is. There are plenty of other superior platforms, but DART is in way too deep at this point.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I do believe that most areas of the world would not allow these views
Well, Saudi Arabia and many muslim countries wouldnt allow insulting islam. China wouldnt allow insulting communist party. However, USA wouldnt allow arresting for free speech. The laws of many countries are contradictive, and the question is if you want free speech which site in USA can have or you want to ban every speech which is banned in some bigger country or group. Because again, if majority of countries hate free speech, that is not an argument against free speech but an argument against those countries.
Suffice it to say, I simply don't agree with anyone declaring that DART should be a debating platform with broad appeal. It is very niche-based and it should remain the size that it is. There are plenty of other superior platforms, but DART is in way too deep at this point.
Dart is the way it is now. It would have more users if there were less bans in the past, and now repeating mistakes from past will just end what little activity is there left here. Simply put, the only thing this site has to offer is free speech. Take that away, and this site has no any benefits it offers compared to many other sites.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Simply put, the only thing this site has to offer is free speech
Surely, DART's only redeemable-quality can't be free speech.
If that's the only thing DART has, then it doesn't deserve to stick around. There are plenty of other platforms that allow free speech like Reddit, Quora, Discord.
Free speech is a good thing, it's a valuable thing even.
But for a privately-owned platform like DART, it needs to be used responsibly.
It would be a win-win-win if you support my suggestion for you to reform. You get to remain and contribute to the site, the site gets to keep its free speech, and everyone who likes this site gets to keep the site.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Surely, DART's only redeemable-quality can't be free speech
Think about it then. Its a text only site. The only thing it offers is text. You can find debates on many other sites. Take away free speech, and why would many people even be here? It would offer nothing compared to so many other sites.
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@AdaptableRatman
I'm still not sure if this is actually "you" or not but I'm curious what convinced you to become Christian and why you chose Catholicism specifically. I am considering Christianity right now but I have changed my mind about what denomination to go with 100 times. Catholicism and Presbyterian are the main ones I keep putting at the top of my list though.
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@FishChaser
The binary concept I had (the 2 parts) that kept coming to my brain was ironically binary in what was being said to me.
Do you still have discord? I tried to add you despite your newer horrible username, idk if it was 2 or 3 times but you rejected and idk what happened but the chat disappeared and I assumed it wa a hint from God and you. Then ypu begam debating about christianity here a lot as my conversion was bekng.more and more solidified. I am still unconvinced that you and I are not somehow linked on a genuine level in ways that only that Catholic version may explain. I think we have had 2 demons who are friends with each other, possessing us for a long time. Idk if they are siblings that fell to Satan together or if they are close friends postdemonisation but I believe our link is not some Pagan soul link anymore but demonic. My demon was more patient and cunning, yours was his more aggresive buddy (or her but if feminine was almost definitely a succibi and since I wasnt a ladies man much I think it was standard masc demon). Think of the Kakuzu Hidan dynamic, you were the natural Hidan between us, I was the natural Kakuzu but our villainous demon bond was real.
I dont care if I am not believed. I made it obvious for mods' benefit and because active deceit is the root of a lot of sin.
I am not saying this to prove who I am but I wanted to message you on disc about this in my latter adding. Aurora was Father. Fiora was sometimes Satan and sometimes Holy Spirit.
Christ I kept rejecting. Ironically Father doesnt feel that masculine when you know him. Jesus is the one that truly feels masculine. I kept rejecting him.
I really do not care if all this sounds like mental illness. I was genuinely infested with a demon many years ago and I have possibly already rid myself of him. That doesnt stop Satan trying. Lust and sloth are my main vices and the secret of lust is fighting it is a bad strategy. Lust and gluttony are better foight by distraction and fearing Gods wrath. Sloth in contrast is one of those you actively need to battle head on.
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@AdaptableRatman
I'm sending you my current discord in DM, I stopped using the other one because it was on the verge of being banned
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@AdaptableRatman
The real issue is beyond that, if a wsbsite doesnt ban and ASAP delste content that puts it in legal jeopardy then it can get very serious.
This site doesn't pay for itself. There is no put of gold to lose from European users disengaging.
If there was a pot of gold, then it must be risked for freedom of speech.
We've seen the pattern throughout history including the last decade. You let the overton window float free of people and reality you've just created a self-selecting group of censors off on their own (probably) absurd adventure. In other words an echo chamber.
There is not even a point in debating in such a context it is purely a waste of time. Maybe that's why everybody stopped debating and now they're all on social media sites designed to cater to the desire to spam emotion and talking points in two sentences and no more.
A debate site that doesn't care about free speech is like vegan cat food. Pointless and doomed.
This is not paranoia, nor exaggeration
It is both.
This is a thread meant for the owner to read. It is not meant as some drama to the mods.
You said private channels don't work so you made it public, then you say the public thread is only for the owner.
There are innumerable examples of censorship and mass censorship on each of those platforms. WTF?If that's the only thing DART has, then it doesn't deserve to stick around. There are plenty of other platforms that allow free speech like Reddit, Quora, Discord.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If there was a pot of gold, then it must be risked for freedom of speech.We've seen the pattern throughout history including the last decade. You let the overton window float free of people and reality you've just created a self-selecting group of censors off on their own (probably) absurd adventure. In other words an echo chamber.There is not even a point in debating in such a context it is purely a waste of time. Maybe that's why everybody stopped debating and now they're all on social media sites designed to cater to the desire to spam emotion and talking points in two sentences and no more.A debate site that doesn't care about free speech is like vegan cat food. Pointless and doomed.
Since you dropped the following argument of this thread. So let's weigh the following impacts.:
Your right to freedom of speech on a private platform versus everyone else's right to safety.
Oof. Your odds are now not looking so good.
Yeah no, that's a terrible argument.
Are you seriously announcing that there is no point in debating recreationally if you're not allowed to argue for something taboo, illegal, or straight-up degeneracy?
Anyone who thinks like that shouldn't call themselves a debater.
And the creators and authorities of a debate site are under no obligation to preserve your freedom of speech, but they do have a moral obligation to protect everyone's safety.
Your analogy about vegan cat food doesn't hold up here because at least OP's version has standards.
There are innumerable examples of censorship and mass censorship on each of those platforms. WTF?
Forget censorship, forget freedom of speech.
There aren't going to be either of those when there isn't even a site to debate on.
Freedom of speech on a private platform should be a privilege to be earned, but since it's practically uncensored here, people like you have been taking it for granted.
Can we get one of the mods to speak publicly on this?
Just one.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Can we get one of the mods to speak publicly on this?
RationalMadman already spoke to mods, failed to convince them to delete those threads, and now is appealing to popular masses.
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@TheGreatSunGod
The particular thread you're referencing does not meet the criteria of the type of vile content OP is complaining about.
That thread was not actually endorsing crime, nor was that the context. That was misinterpreted.
So it doesn't fit the grounds for removal
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@Sir.Lancelot
These are RationalMadman's words:
"I am making this a public thread because I think any private method of handling things with mods goes absolutely nowhere on some topics"
It seems like he has already failed to convince mods. Also, popular masses arent convinced much either right now as it stands.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I suggest we start a vote on this issue of actual free speech.
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@TheGreatSunGod
He was overreacting and that whole thread was an exaggeration, so he doesn't have my support on that.
OP has my vote on this particular post.
I vote for more free speech, not less.