Free will comes from Satan himself

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Satan didnt prevent anyone from obeying God willingly now. Anyone who wants to obey God can do so now. However, Satan gave freedom to not obey God if people want to do something else instead. In this sense, Satan benefited wishes of those who dont want to obey God.

Satan didnt fight for himself there. He fought for others. He didnt want to see people being forced to serve God forever. Instead, he gave them a chance to serve their own wishes. Satan doesnt take away your choice. He is the reason you have a choice.

Even if you consider Satan evil, he is still the one who sacrificed his place in heaven so that you could choose your own destiny. He gave up on everything he had just to give you a choice. He rebelled against a tyrannical God so that today you wouldnt be that God's slave. Satan gave you your free will and knowledge.

Many people today praise Satan for what he did there. For gift of their free will and choice. Even Christians, when praising free will, praise Satan.

Tree of knowledge is a great gift from Satan. The apple which gives us both knowledge and choice. Satan knew that not many people will follow him now, but that didnt stop him from even giving choice to those people.

In reality, you wouldnt even be able to choose God if it wasnt for Satan himself. Choice demands multiple options. One option isnt choice by definition. If it wasnt for Satan, no one would ever even choose God. Everyone would be brain dead slaves.

So Satan benefited all people by giving them all a choice. Some chose God anyway. Some chose Satan who gave them a choice in first place. Now all have choice. All are now free.
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From? Who made us and him?
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From? Who made us and him?
Bible says God did.

Still, the topic is truism. Even Satan has purpose. You cannot have free will without knowledge of both good and evil.
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Anthropologists estimate that at least 18,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans since our species first appeared.
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So Satan benefited all people by giving them all a choice. Some chose God anyway. Some chose Satan who gave them a choice in first place. Now all have choice. All are now free.
You place Satan in an envious position.
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Anthropologists estimate that at least 18,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans since our species first appeared
18,000? I worship about 200. But thats because its kinda really difficult to worship more than that. Cant remember them all.
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At least 18000
How many at most then?

Though could it actually be less than 18000?

Sort of, 16742 for example.


I think that anthropologists sometimes make up shit.

Therefore, I also think that BK is an anthropologist.

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Satan didnt prevent anyone from obeying God willingly now. Anyone who wants to obey God can do so now. However, Satan gave freedom to not obey God if people want to do something else instead. In this sense, Satan benefited wishes of those who dont want to obey God.
Satan tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God by eating the forbidden fruit.  His temptation was - that the would become like God. 

Satan didnt fight for himself there. He fought for others. He didnt want to see people being forced to serve God forever. Instead, he gave them a chance to serve their own wishes. Satan doesnt take away your choice. He is the reason you have a choice.
Satan wasn't fighting for anyone but himself.  He desired to take humanity that worshipped God and make them worship himself. Satan hate humanity worshiping God, so to make them stop worshiping God is almost as good as them worshiping him.   

Even if you consider Satan evil, he is still the one who sacrificed his place in heaven so that you could choose your own destiny. He gave up on everything he had just to give you a choice. He rebelled against a tyrannical God so that today you wouldnt be that God's slave. Satan gave you your free will and knowledge.
Satan didn't sacrifice his place in heaven. He was kicked out because of his pride. Humans are either a slave of God or a slave of sin. There is no middle ground. 

Many people today praise Satan for what he did there. For gift of their free will and choice. Even Christians, when praising free will, praise Satan.
Interestingly, humanity had free will prior to the fall of man. Prior to the eating of the forbidden fruit. After the fall, they lost the freedom to come back to God. God kicked them out of the garden and separated them from the tree of life. 

Tree of knowledge is a great gift from Satan. The apple which gives us both knowledge and choice. Satan knew that not many people will follow him now, but that didnt stop him from even giving choice to those people.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a gift from God and it was good. It also was a boundary. A boundary that enabled people to know the limits of freedom.  The tree of the knowledge of good and evil didn't give knowledge. They already had knowledge. They were created moral creatures. They were created sexual creatures. they were created spiritual creatures. They know it was good to worship and obey God and they knew it was wrong and evil to disobey God. they also had choice before they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They had the choice to eat from any tree in the garden. An almost unlimited choice.  Choices from all the trees and to eat however they wanted. The one tree not to eat from - doesn't mean they didn't have choice. Of course they had choice. 

In reality, you wouldnt even be able to choose God if it wasnt for Satan himself. Choice demands multiple options. One option isnt choice by definition. If it wasnt for Satan, no one would ever even choose God. Everyone would be brain dead slaves.
Ironically, after eating the fruit, the one thing they couldn't choose was God. They became unable to choose God - unless the Holy Spirit gave them the capacity to do so. 


So Satan benefited all people by giving them all a choice. Some chose God anyway. Some chose Satan who gave them a choice in first place. Now all have choice. All are now free.

Wrong. 



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Trade.

Don't loose site of the fact that it's all make believe.
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I cant find any arguments in your comment. In order to even have free will, you need knowledge of evil and other options too. Satan gives that knowledge. Otherwise, Satan would have no effect on humans.
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It was the serpent that beguiled or deceived Eve. Then Eve gave the lie to Adam and he harkened.

It was one to another to another, not both at once. So now it is heavily imperative that the man must be the head of the woman.
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According to the scripture, nobody chooses God, seeks God, obeys God. The only freewill if such a term must be used, if to choose freely which sin you like to do next.
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It was the serpent that beguiled or deceived Eve. Then Eve gave the lie to Adam and he harkened.
But they thought it was true. So if they didnt know it was a lie, then they lacked knowledge and it wasnt a really informed choice.

The true axiom is that people need knowledge to make a choice. No choice would exist if knowledge about evil didnt exist. 

Knowledge about evil came from Satan. That is Satan's role.

Even if we say that lies came mostly from Satan, that still creates a choice to believe those lies. The problem there would be lack of informed choice. It would be then misleading choice.

So if Satan's lies caused existence of evil, and existence of evil enabled knowledge of evil and thus, choice, we can say that some choice was still created compared to no choice.
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Don't the women visiting our Club call us Gods?  So there is probably 18,010.
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Don't the women visiting our Club call us Gods?  So there is probably 18,010.
They are there for a religious experience.
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That's true. They yell JESUS! and OH MY GOD!
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It was the serpent that beguiled or deceived Eve.

Yep, Adams huge trouser snake.

Just like the one that beguiled Mary.


And back in the day head was an imperative.

Yum Yum.
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They knew they disobeyed. People talk of not knowing and not being informed. They knew the law they broken.

Would they try to hide themselves in fear passing the buck?

You do this trying to skirt punishment.

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They yell JESUS! and OH MY GOD!

And when Ebuc whips off his G string, they scream CHRIST ALMIGHTY!